(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[European Pair-Go Championship]PW[N.Kovaleva D.Surin]PB[C.Ngoc-Trang A.Fenech]WR[6d]BR[3d]DT[2009-04-26]EV[European Pair-Go Championship 2009]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[Russia]BT[France]AN[Ondrej Kruml]C[mtkk [-\]: pompom
EPGC09 [-\]: Players still not here
zazie [-\]: pompom
fab [-\]: pompom
Jorga [1k\]: did russians play with Cornel?
EPGC09 [-\]: yes yesteday and they lost
Pinguschaf [5d\]: can i see somewhere the whole result?
Laman [3k\]: http://www.promogo.cz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=74
Pinguschaf [5d\]: thx
Jorga [1k\]: oh they lost
cocaDJ [5d\]: russian won all games till now?
Jorga [1k\]: is it posible to see that game?
alexanderp [5k?\]: Russians lost to Cornel?
Jorga [1k\]: Cornel rulez!
EPGC09 [-\]: yes it is in my info
EPGC09 [-\]: no cornel lost
EPGC09 [-\]: players finally here
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;B[cp]
;W[pd]
(;B[pp]
;W[cd]C[Docomo [-\]: hey
Docomo [-\]: are they allowed to discuss as a team or not allowed to talk?
Laman [3k\]: not allowed
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;B[qf]
;W[qh]C[EPGC09 [-\]: Live Broadcast on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Docomo [-\]: okok
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;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[fc]
;W[dc]
;B[fd]
;W[cf]C[alexanderp [5k?\]: EPGC, so, Russian team is without losses now? Thanks.
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;B[jc]C[EPGC09 [-\]: Yes
Jorga [1k\]: russia is most european country^^
zazie [-\]: antoine is going to have his fuseki-swimming-time
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;W[qd]C[araneae [4k\]: how regierte in EuroGoTV
zazie [-\]: uh, quite strange :)
cocaDJ [5d\]: Q14 better
EPGC09 [-\]: this move is really weird
zazie [-\]: Q14, O17, R15... are normal
EPGC09 [-\]: it may be pair go strategy
cocaDJ [5d\]: heh
tomason [1d\]: Are you scurge, EPG?
nidza92 [-\]: weird but how to punish
Daoloth [-\]: tenuki
cocaDJ [5d\]: E3 
cocaDJ [5d\]: or J3:P
zazie [-\]: is'nt it a mistake with Q4 ? :)
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(;B[qp]
;W[cd]
;B[qf]
;W[qh]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[fc]
;W[dc]
;B[fd]
;W[cf]
;B[jc]
;W[qd]
;B[oq]
;W[eq]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: this is a replay of a game?
EPGC09 [-\]: yes :( sorry but it is really hard to see from my position
zazie [-\]: no this is the live game
zazie [-\]: no problem :)
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;B[dn]C[EPGC09 [-\]: live broadcast on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
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;W[cq]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: zazie... <_<... I'm new here, don't start lol
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;B[bq]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: or were u being serious? <_<... 
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;W[dp]
;B[co]C[zazie [-\]: i'm serious
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;W[cr]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: this is a live game?  Do live games always start over all of the sudden then continue where htey left off? lol
GndmHmmr [1d\]: u can see this game on video also
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;B[cj]C[zazie [-\]: ok i found 10 positions or so with the strange move R16
ILLcoyote [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 on that link?
Korlon [2k\]: It's a live game, there was a scribing error
GndmHmmr [1d\]: yea
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;W[lc]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: they gave us the move order 
EPGC09 [-\]: now R16 looks more or less normal, maybe instead of P3 black should have O17
gojustingo [9k\]: so these are the quarter-finals?
ILLcoyote [?\]: is this really a Go championship? cool =P
zazie [-\]: i would have play N17, yep
ILLcoyote [?\]: quarter finals?
nidza92 [-\]: i think p3 is wrong
gojustingo [9k\]: I am confused
gojustingo [9k\]: is this bracket format...anyone pls?
nidza92 [-\]: now r10
Maverik [5k\]: g3 
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;B[qj]C[nidza92 [-\]: cant let r14 die so easily
svrcd [?\]: gojustingo, see info EPGC09
marius1 [1d\]: R10 very big
gojustingo [9k\]: i did, and am still ignorant 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i am thinking o17 and r10 can be thinced of as miai
gojustingo [9k\]: is it possible to secure the win before the 6th and final round?
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;W[hc]C[Maverik [5k\]: seems it will be clouse fight
qweasd [3k\]: lol black should play o17 and let the fun begin
marius1 [1d\]: clouse = ?
zazie [-\]: maybe a bit early, is'nt it
katori15 [5k\]: o17 looks like a good idea see the past two moves
Maverik [5k\]: close
marius1 [1d\]: ok:-)
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;B[hd]C[joelw [5k?\]: if o17 w will respond w/c8
katori15 [5k\]: o17 r8 I figured
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;W[hb]
;B[dd]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: I would like that r8 better too
gojustingo [9k\]: m18
ILLcoyote [?\]: though I am kinda new to this game... Does o17 start a fight or what?
joelw [5k?\]: that gap is far too wide, we need symmetry
gojustingo [9k\]: m15
GndmHmmr [1d\]: h17 started that stuff but its not much of a fight i think. yet
bobstep [7k?\]: c17
gojustingo [9k\]: L18
floating [2k\]: f18 not work well ?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: not after d16
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;W[cc]C[floating [2k\]: i thought d16 makes f18 sente if w dont c17 in other circumstance
gojustingo [9k\]: r18
gojustingo [9k\]: o17 better
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i thot he was talking about w f18
tomason [1d\]: Scribe, are you scurge?
floating [2k\]: yes i meant that
marius1 [1d\]:  D16 odd
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;B[id]C[floating [2k\]: what is the b move if w had f18
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;W[fb]C[bobstep [7k?\]: b15
floating [2k\]: then d15
floating [2k\]: oh.. b
Daoloth [-\]: q12
floating [2k\]: well, i guess its off-topic now
Ephemere [2d\]: b stones are useless... hard. maube b p10  is the  best
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;B[dg]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: who would you guys say has the best position?
katori15 [5k\]: is there sound or am I squeezing water from a rock?
joelw [5k?\]: w
zazie [-\]: hard to say
zazie [-\]: looks quite even so far
EPGC09 [-\]: no sound sorry
katori15 [5k\]: okay did not want to get a loud blast from speaker
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;W[iq]C[Ephemere [2d\]: q13 or p10 
floating [2k\]: how does the players determine the positions in relation to the board ? 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: rengo feels different than reglar go
Daoloth [-\]: i'd have played h3 in the lower left
GndmHmmr [1d\]: h3 too close
ILLcoyote [?\]: yea, I think so too
ILLcoyote [?\]: j3 seems better
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;B[kq]C[Daoloth [-\]: something might still happen because of g3
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;W[le]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: ? there's nothing on g3.. not sure I know what u mean..
EPGC09 [-\]: this was big....
GndmHmmr [1d\]: nothing happen c2 stoans have b2 for eyespace and j3 has extension to m3
EPGC09 [-\]: L3 feels bit slack
Daoloth [-\]: of course there is
zazie [-\]: P10 ?
Daoloth [-\]: (later)
kryft [1k\]: ILLcoyote, There's nothing there now, but black can play there later.
ILLcoyote [?\]: I see...
GndmHmmr [1d\]: so what if b plays there. w shouldnt go h3 just to avoid that
GndmHmmr [1d\]: w went from tabel
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;B[oj]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: finally
GndmHmmr [1d\]: p10
ILLcoyote [?\]: there it is
ILLcoyote [?\]: yea, W left table for bathroom break or sumthin =P
Maverik [5k\]: big dragon ))
ILLcoyote [?\]: there he is
ILLcoyote [?\]: never seen a Pro game so.. didn;'t know they could leave if they felt like it for a second =P
Gonzalate [3d\]: j'aurais joué pareil donc c'est nyoshi qui a joué ça, donc c'est mauvais -.-
GndmHmmr [1d\]: its not a pro game. its a rengo game
GndmHmmr [1d\]: rengoes weird
ILLcoyote [?\]: er?  Rengo?
Korlon [2k\]: Pair go
Maverik [5k\]: swiss go )
zazie [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?PairGo , ILLCoyote
ILLcoyote [?\]: thanks =)
Ephemere [2d\]: blanc peut se contenter de p 12
GndmHmmr [1d\]: theres 4 players in all. 2 on each team
ILLcoyote [?\]: now it makes sense who those 2 girls are..
GndmHmmr [1d\]: if they have good synergy they are stronger
Ephemere [2d\]: ou l5 p5 ou si il veut etre plus actif 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: if they clash even stronger levels might be defeated
Kurau [2d?\]: p12 trop lent je pense
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;W[qo]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: there's something... 
Korlon [2k\]: I'm thinking S4
ILLcoyote [?\]: W seems so serious =P
Daoloth [-\]: L14 would be nice for black... after this corner
Gonzalate [3d\]: ...it's a tournament -_-
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;B[po]
;W[qn]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: i think b q13 would be nice if b gets sente
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;B[rp]
;W[pn]C[Daoloth [-\]: b should do something with that upper wall
EPGC09 [-\]: watch us not them :)
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;B[oo]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: lol regno fun to watch
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;W[nm]C[Gonzalate [3d\]: 'seems dangerous for black
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;B[pg]C[Random [1k?\]: hmmm... I knew it)
GndmHmmr [1d\]: q13 looks safe to me
EPGC09 [-\]: Black slightly ahead?
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;W[ql]C[Jorga [1k\]: b will win
GndmHmmr [1d\]: r8 was tempting for b also
Daoloth [-\]: b could have played r8 first :\\
GndmHmmr [1d\]: but it woulda been r8 p6 o5 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: w gets initiative
Gonzalate [3d\]: i see an easy game for white but i'm not totally wake up so... x_x
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;B[rk]C[Mikki62 [3k\]: is this game on tv?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i think q13 safer
Gonzalate [3d\]: http://EuroGoTV.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
jojo1 [9k\]: yes eurogotv
ILLcoyote [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
katori15 [5k\]: r8 seems like black could of played it first
Gonzalate [3d\]: :p
ILLcoyote [?\]: darb lol
Mikki62 [3k\]: thx
mikael45 [15k\]: hi gg
ILLcoyote [?\]: lol, must be big time dyalight over there... 2AM here 0_0
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;W[el]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: now that would be a fun game to watch at that time =P
Random [1k?\]: feels like black 5-6 points ahead
ILLcoyote [?\]: ... how do u count those points?  From which side? (not too familiar with the game yet lol)
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;B[dk]C[EPGC09 [-\]: You can't really count the game yet :)
sempai [-\]: yeah, I wonder how one can count so precisely and not be a 9d...
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;W[fn]C[Random [1k?\]: I just estimated their territory after al possible reductions... most likely not very correctly
crazyye: hey what the prize of win tournament;?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: u gotta start somewhere
Gonzalate [3d\]: you just asked the SE ...
Random [1k?\]: gonzalate - nah
EPGC09 [-\]: The winner goes to Japan for the World Pair Go Championship I think.
Random [1k?\]: I`m trying to learn how to count ,yself atm
Gonzalate [3d\]: how can you count so fastly ? there is a move every minute :p
Random [1k?\]: myself*
GndmHmmr [1d\]: rules is a japan rules?
crazyye: wow 
kribi [2d\]: no no EPGC, there os a points system ...
crazyye: all got 45 minuts .. and no handicap?
kribi [2d\]: is
eurogotv [2k\]: hi all^^
hgma [5k\]: L5?
ILLcoyote [?\]: I'm still a big time noob when it coems to counting haha, besides the last... 10-20 moves of the game lol
Mikki62 [3k\]: hi
Daoloth [-\]: b should attack somewhere
crazyye: thats really hard.. like 3d vs 9d
crazyye: T_T
gius [5k?\]: i cant see Natalia
crazyye: j5 not better?
crazyye: ;s
crazyye: :)
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;B[ko]
;W[lm]C[eurogotv [2k\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Random [1k?\]: use the thickness Luke!
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;B[jn]C[bibob: i think d9 was soft
Gonzalate [3d\]: elle joue que des kosumis nyoshi erf
joelw [5k?\]: I can't use the thickness, the stones are too heavy
kribi [2d\]: white ahead ....
Gonzalate [3d\]: white not alive:p 
Random [1k?\]: I dnon`t think so
EPGC09b [-\]:  ** by the way - you can now also follow game between Jitka Bartova + Jan Hora6d [3d\] vs Jana Hricova + Ondrej Silt6d [3d\] ! see epgc09c's broadcast at the top of active games tab
Random [1k?\]: pasky finally noticed the request)
Kirigo: m4 possible?
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;W[mk]C[katori15 [5k\]: k6 looks like a slow move.  and forcing w into black's top moyo
Daoloth [-\]: not much moyo there yet
hgma [5k\]: too peaceful
GndmHmmr [1d\]: k6 is bidirectional
bibob: what moyo?
Random [1k?\]: b aims tp  cut on the left  I suppose
hgma [5k\]: Hope that fights are coming soon
Maverik [5k\]: k2 is not big enough yet ?
marius1 [1d\]: Q12 next
Random [1k?\]: i`d say not important atm
joelw [5k?\]: h4 is my guess
GndmHmmr [1d\]: q12 not needed
Random [1k?\]: nah, q12 ruins all potential
marius1 [1d\]: w Q12 is difficult to answer
GndmHmmr [1d\]: w q12 easy. go p12 
Daoloth [-\]: the next move feels important
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;B[hp]
;W[hq]C[marius1 [1d\]: but then w P13
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;B[gp]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: then q11
Arutemu [3k\]: b ll cut F6 out(
marius1 [1d\]: then P14
Maverik [5k\]: b suddenely got moyo ))
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;W[gq]
;B[eo]C[Random [1k?\]: see... I told you)
Arutemu [3k\]: y
bibob: k8 
Maverik [5k\]: very nice idea
GndmHmmr [1d\]: this is good action for b
EPGC09 [-\]: I would say questionable
EPGC09 [-\]: :)
Random [1k?\]: )
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;W[io]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: b created pressure on w grup
Arutemu [3k\]: w knows good variaty?
EPGC09 [-\]: but has bad shape, this move seems to be at the right place
joelw [5k?\]: ye varily
Maverik [5k\]: b can not do j4. need f4 first, but f4 may be gote
GndmHmmr [1d\]: e4 thinkable
eurogotv [2k\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Daoloth [-\]: f4?
EPGC09 [-\]: Black has 10 minutes left
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;B[hn]C[Random [1k?\]: black very agressive)
Arutemu [3k\]: i think b lot
Arutemu [3k\]: cause they are not in 1 mind..
joelw [5k?\]: b looks passive to me
bibob: f5 
Veivi [4d\]: some cuts are aggressive, some just reasonable :)
Maverik [5k\]: it seems now h3 was too passive
EPGC09c [-\]: those interested can see Jan Hora+Jitka Bartova (3d sum of strength) playing against Ondrej Silt+Jana Hricova (also 3d sum) on top of active games transcribed by me (it's board 4)
BadukLover [9k?\]: g8 ?
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;W[ph]C[BadukLover [9k?\]: oh not even close :P
Random [1k?\]: I`d say - a big mistake
Random [1k?\]: too small
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;B[oh]
;W[og]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: w gets some moves on the outside
Random [1k?\]: if w is sure he end sin sente...
Arutemu [3k\]: i gon think so) too complicated
mint [4d\]: wow, Kovaleva beat Mannami Kana 4p?
BadukLover [9k?\]: personally im a gote lover :P
Random [1k?\]: aren`t you baduk lover?
joelw [5k?\]: a bit complicated here, no?
eurogotv [2k\]: allez Antoine
GndmHmmr [1d\]: its a common patern
BadukLover [9k?\]: both ^^
zhiwei [9k\]: p14
Arutemu [3k\]: rly? i didnt know( 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: q11
BadukLover [9k?\]: q11?
fidget [9k\]: black can't q11
BadukLover [9k?\]: why not
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;B[pi]
;W[nh]
;B[oi]C[fidget [9k\]: r14 would die
BadukLover [9k?\]: see he did already hehe
BadukLover [9k?\]: q14
fidget [9k\]: r13 works i think
BadukLover [9k?\]: q14 to build wall arround p14 for w
Piggen22 [3k\]: s14
Arutemu [3k\]: y mb in sente it seems good
EPGC09 [-\]: White has 20 min left black 7
Random [1k?\]: b seriously ahead if this is ok I sppose
Sonica [1d\]: about time ?
fidget [9k\]: hmmm, maybe not because black can play p14
EPGC09 [-\]: Live TV broadcast on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Sonica [1d\]: thx
crazyye: 7 min :D
crazyye: what is tat eurogotv?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: b can gain libs with p14 and then w die inside
Cassis0 [5d\]: r13 works 
kribi [2d\]: time pls 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: or w can give up the 30 point ponnuki
ILLcoyote [?\]: I could r13
ILLcoyote [?\]: would*
joelw [5k?\]: i like q14
GndmHmmr [1d\]: r13 q14 s14 p14 o13 s15 s13 r15 b is ok
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;W[of]C[kribi [2d\]: Time pls
zhiwei [9k\]: r13
EPGC09 [-\]: the time didnt change that much you know but i can repete :) White 19 black 6
Kirigo: s12 
crazyye: muhehhe
GndmHmmr [1d\]: w dont want b to have ponuki on p13
Arutemu [3k\]: d14?
Cassis0 [5d\]: s12
Arutemu [3k\]: after close in the right side
ILLcoyote [?\]: what's ponuki?
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;B[qg]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: ah no good 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: ponukys the shape u get from eating one
Random [1k?\]: chid0`d be overjoyed ^^
ILLcoyote [?\]: ah
fidget [9k\]: you get ponuki from eating ponuki?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: yea s12 is gooder than r13
fidget [9k\]: fractal shape?
kribi [2d\]: ho sorry EPGC i didn't see you said it before ...
Julian1 [1d\]: yes, that's called ponuki^2
zhiwei [9k\]: r13 is a kyu move =P
steng: eating one stone
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;W[rh]
;B[re]C[totototo [6d\]:  s13  ?
]
;W[rg]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: no doubt
EPGC09 [-\]: this is bad for black :/
crazyye: hey
crazyye: what can i watch at go eurotv? have pro games?
crazyye: =s
ILLcoyote [?\]: hmm, why is s13 a 'no doubt' move?
Kirigo: s17 
kribi [2d\]: s14 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: lots of semedory
crazyye: b will die omg
crazyye: s17 ^
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;B[rf]C[zazie [-\]: they're aiming for sente then cut in D14
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;W[rd]C[Daoloth [-\]: if something is questionable, it's s15
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;B[ri]C[kribi [2d\]: no problem ...
GndmHmmr [1d\]: b die if tenuky maybe
crazyye: hehh
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;W[ik]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: but b has no yose now
hgma [5k\]: who said black was bad earlier?
kribi [2d\]: yes zaz 
ILLcoyote [?\]: wouldn't B be able to kill W on the right first?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: in that corner.
GndmHmmr [1d\]: if s12. b can still have yose
mint [4d\]: what is j9?
zazie [-\]: D14 to start the yose ? :)
mint [4d\]: k8 better imo
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;B[kb]
;W[lb]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: ... what's yose?
mint [4d\]: yose is endgame
zazie [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Yose 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: yose is like the move l18 and stuff on edges and borders of your areas
ortenix [-\]: Fresh PHOTOS from the European PairGo Championship in Prague on http://ortenix.cz/fotoen.php?folder=slozka/nove/1/09_epgc 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: oup. camera disruption
Daoloth [-\]: i still like L14 for black
Kirigo: c13 
zhiwei [9k\]: the camera gets excited =x
Ulath [-\]: h11 ?
EPGC09c [-\]: ortenix .. you are quicker than me :D
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;B[gk]C[mint [4d\]: does jan always wear those crap headphones?
Random [1k?\]: )
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;W[df]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: what. should he wear earmuff instead?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: earmuff is actually pretty nice tho
mint [4d\]: how bout nothing at all?
EPGC09c [-\]: Jan wears them often
joelw [5k?\]: earmuff is pro
Lynx [2d\]: what kind of sorcerous 3d is this?
EPGC09 [-\]: Black has one minute left. White has still 16
mint [4d\]: save earmuffs for the go tournament held in igloos.
Lynx [2d\]: unless I'm mistaken, he seems to have an advantage?
telchar [1d\]: one of a kind
zhiwei [9k\]: black still seems leading
ILLcoyote [?\]: White seems to be in the lead maybe?
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;B[ef]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: i would go to a go tournament in igloos
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(;W[fg])
(;W[eg]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: or black I meant lol, got my colors mixed up.  Guess it is too late to be staying up lol
Lynx [2d\]: close game but W leads slightly unless B can make more points
EPGC09 [-\]: I do nt believe in this move
]
;B[cg]C[EPGC09 [-\]: black is in the byo yomi
Ulath [-\]: white seek complications when black doesn't have much time, sounds logical :)
Lynx [2d\]: k2 is such a humongous point
Daoloth [-\]: how much is the byo-yomi?
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;W[ge]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: yeah, pointwise, I think white is in the lead right now
EPGC09 [-\]: 30 sec pr move
Gonzalate [3d\]: arr nyoshi's turn nooon x'
Gonzalate [3d\]: x'( elle va fair un kosumi
Ulath [-\]: f14 ?
EPGC09 [-\]: one periode down
EPGC09 [-\]: 2 periods left
Daoloth [-\]: ouch, that's blitzy
GndmHmmr [1d\]: g15 is tesuji
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;B[gd]C[Ulath [-\]: what after f14 ?
zazie [-\]: black in trouble :)
MrFofi [2d\]: f14 better
Cassis0 [5d\]: f14 not a good idea 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: f14 better than this move
Ulath [-\]: ao.. j16 almost dead maybe yes :)
goblinking [1k\]: lath : f14 g16 g17 and black is cut
Ulath [-\]: yes cut
Lynx [2d\]: yeah f14 seemed bad
CNorris [4k\]: w must win something nice there
Lynx [2d\]: where now for W?
Ulath [-\]: I thought it wasn't so important
MrFofi [2d\]: black can not cut
]
;W[fg]C[EPGC09 [-\]: b14 b15 c15 d15 e15 c15 h13 
mint [4d\]: do any of these players play on this server?
zazie [-\]: i agree with EPGC09's sequence :)
zhiwei [9k\]: f14
goblinking [1k\]: d15 ?
EPGC09 [-\]: ^^ thank you 
]
;B[ff]C[zazie [-\]: antoine does'nt
GndmHmmr [1d\]: w g13
EPGC09 [-\]: he seems pretty nervous
Lynx [2d\]: b is not happy with this result when he gets f13 out
EPGC09 [-\]: but this move looks weak
crazyye: lol epgc mistake 
zazie [-\]: he was probably afraid of B14-C15
crazyye: what was move 82
crazyye: ?
crazyye: =)
]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]C[EPGC09 [-\]: why? b14 c15 and then his bamboo
zhiwei [9k\]: lol, all the moves i thought of are weak =P
crazyye: hey what the hell is  http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1?
EPGC09 [-\]: but B13 seems questionable also
EPGC09 [-\]: now that white played F13 I tought B 13is not attractif anymore
rapyuta89 [4d\]: how stromh players?
zazie [-\]: how many time left for white ?
ILLcoyote [?\]: b14 for W?
EPGC09 [-\]: 12 minutes
Mikkgo [1k\]: crazyye: it's video about this game
GndmHmmr [1d\]: w should g13
zazie [-\]: thanks
crazyye: but why 
]
;W[bf]C[crazyye: is the same game
crazyye: ?
ThxShubert [4k?\]: S 12 White sacrifice for H 16 chase ? 
crazyye: is like inverse of table
crazyye: ?
zazie [-\]: H13 ?
kribi [2d\]: anywayn thx to the organisers to add byoyomi 30 sec. From the beginnin
ILLcoyote [?\]: i guessed it =D
crazyye: lol now i see
]
;B[gg]C[crazyye: what a hell
]
;W[gh]C[crazyye: i didnt liked how can i 
EPGC09 [-\]: O.o
crazyye: turn table like they?
crazyye: :D KKK
GndmHmmr [1d\]: b win game totaly
zazie [-\]: please don't flood, crazyye
Amilee [?\]: hane
goblinking [1k\]: yes seems now easy game for b
]
;B[hg]C[crazyye: ok sory man
Gonzalate [3d\]: white still not alive hum
zazie [-\]: a strange nobi
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i woulda double haned
ILLcoyote [?\]: yep, 50 bucks on B =P
]
;W[hh]
;B[ih]C[crazyye: :D
Amilee [?\]: now W might escape
ThxShubert [4k?\]: White underestimate black : Old Behaviour
CNorris [4k\]: was B13 good though it let b doing G13 ?
Daoloth [-\]: w's play seems boring to me, but i'd guess b loses in the endgame
Amilee [?\]: hane was better
ILLcoyote [?\]: h10 maybe?
zhiwei [9k\]: h10
crazyye: why did he left table sometime
crazyye: ?
zhiwei [9k\]: ^5
GndmHmmr [1d\]: b is still in candy store
kribi [2d\]: Anyway, thx to the organisers to add byoyomi 30 sec. From the begining of pairgo to last year, it was 45 min sudden death... ear 
crazyye: he is thinking alot 
crazyye: X\\
]
;W[hj]
;B[ig]C[hgma [5k\]: white was overconfident
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i cant beleive w went b13 instead of g13. tragic
zazie [-\]: K14 ? is black alive ? :)
goblinking [1k\]: f12 cut for b wouldn't be easier ?
Random [1k?\]: so far - my initial estination of b`s thickness (rather sceptical) seems to be accurate)))
zazie [-\]: F12 does'nt work, goblinking, due to the C12 weakness
GndmHmmr [1d\]: b doesnt look so dieable to me
zhiwei [9k\]: W messed up on the left atk
EPGC09 [-\]: white has 10 minutes (b in byoyomi with last period)
rapyuta89 [4d\]: w should overplay
crazyye: j11 lol
]
;W[ii]C[goblinking [1k\]: thx zazie
]
;B[kg]C[Amilee [?\]: both opt for safety first
EPGC09 [-\]: Antoine is sighing
CNorris [4k\]: gndmhmmr : yeah, very weird, what was it for
Amilee [?\]: the peanut gallery wants fireworks
]
;W[ek]C[zhiwei [9k\]: this game is pretty much set...
goblinking [1k\]: in rengo, safety moves are often clever ...
Amilee [?\]: BOOB
Amilee [?\]: BooM
Random [1k?\]: I liked first
Random [1k?\]: )
twold [2k\]: yeah
]
;B[ej]C[joelw [5k?\]: tit in the face
twold [2k\]: ^^
]
;W[gl]C[Knotwilg [2d\]: d11 better imo
Knotwilg [2d\]: for B
]
;B[hl]C[deft [4d\]: D11 worse IMO
zhiwei [9k\]: h9
Ulath [-\]: maybe white should play g8 before e9 ?
luckyedge [4k?\]: would of been same result
deft [4d\]: G8 would always be answered with H8
Ulath [-\]: I wanted to play g8 h8 then f9 g9 f10 as white
joelw [5k?\]: f9?
Ulath [-\]: maybe the exchange e9 e10 changes something
totototo [6d\]: f 10
Ulath [-\]: I don't know, I'm far from 6d :)
deft [4d\]: I kind of wanted to play D11 first (as W), but I guess it's too slow
]
;W[fk]C[Knotwilg [2d\]: W want s to keep c12
Cassis0 [5d\]: wow 
]
;B[fj]C[Ulath [-\]: my move ^^ (but with ugly shape :p)
Cassis0 [5d\]: why w didnt play g13 
deft [4d\]: W would be super happy if B answered D11
Cassis0 [5d\]: b had hard time to live 
joelw [5k?\]: h9
EPGC09 [-\]: what iss f9?Oo
kribi [2d\]: W still little ahead, go french guys go ! 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: yes cassis w missed completely
zazie [-\]: i don't think so kribi :)
mint [4d\]: D. Surin looks anywhere from 25 - 45...
]
;W[gj]C[crazyye: is epgc there :D look
Knotwilg [2d\]: feasibility of N3?
]
;B[hk]C[deft [4d\]: low
GndmHmmr [1d\]: fireworks
EPGC09 [-\]: If you want i can turn the camera a bit so you can see the playing hall
deft [4d\]: B should be able to get K2 first
crazyye: yes 
Knotwilg [2d\]: N5-L2 miai then deft?
crazyye: plx
crazyye: :)
Knotwilg [2d\]: ic
zazie [-\]: maybe M4 is better, Knotwilg
crazyye: wow 
crazyye: nice
]
;W[di]C[Veivi [4d\]: N3 M4 .. no good for w there
crazyye: can u turn camera like in kgs?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: w seems a bit thin.....
zhiwei [9k\]: d11 is good
gacua [1d\]: c11
Paddlefoot [1d\]: but the position is difficult
]
;B[eh]C[Random [1k?\]: chid00000 ^^
crazyye: the other is so harder
deft [4d\]: also, N5 is cut by N6 (although this helps the eyeshape of the W group on the right, so it might be worth it)
]
;W[fh]C[crazyye: hehe
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ????
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I don't like that last move
gacua [1d\]: It shoudl be c11
Paddlefoot [1d\]: D10
crazyye: show you epgc09
]
;B[ei]C[crazyye: xD
Paddlefoot [1d\]: oooh
ILLcoyote [?\]: hmm
Cassis0 [5d\]: now d8 hurts 
IceSpectre [10k\]: D10 and he connected .. 
Veivi [4d\]: some awful aji right there
ILLcoyote [?\]: didn't know what e12 was about at first =P
twold [2k\]: lol. 1ds are weak today :-)
EPGC09 [-\]: Ok the "showing the playinghall idea was not o good
]
;W[dl]C[crazyye: kKK
]
;B[ck]C[mint [4d\]: so crude...
deft [4d\]: aiaiai
Veivi [4d\]: only option..
mint [4d\]: cruder than oil
EPGC09 [-\]: hmm.
Paddlefoot [1d\]: yeah....I don't like this for b
Knotwilg [2d\]: d10 would have been better?
zhiwei [9k\]: E8 still dead
ThxShubert [4k?\]: Too much adrenalin 
Cassis0 [5d\]: not really
luckyedge [4k?\]: zhi
luckyedge [4k?\]: what r u talking about
deft [4d\]: if B had played D10 then the W eye in the center would disappear
Cassis0 [5d\]: b will implode 
deft [4d\]: so I don't know if C9 was really the only option
]
;W[cl]C[danigabi [5d\]: still im not sure what happens after wh7
luckyedge [4k?\]: this is a difficult fight that is nowhere near over 
crazyye: =)
danigabi [5d\]: ?
Cassis0 [5d\]: hum
danigabi [5d\]: j8 now?
]
;B[bl]C[IceSpectre [10k\]: if he played d10 then he would be connected at d13 .. 
mint [4d\]: antoine looks agitated?
Random [1k?\]: yup methinks it too
EPGC09 [-\]: white has 2minutes left
]
;W[bm]C[EPGC09 [-\]: B10?
]
;B[ak]C[crazyye: ;)
Ulath [-\]: W plan to play b2 then try to kill e5 after f5 cut ?
Ulath [-\]: hmm
deft [4d\]: if B gets J8 then both W groups are in danger
deft [4d\]: W must try to trade center group for the B lower left corner
tpb [-\]: h7
GndmHmmr [1d\]: w might be able to furikawari
Ulath [-\]: furikawari = ?
]
;W[hm]C[deft [4d\]: ... pretty complicated situation
]
;B[il]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: eat the c5 in exchange for the uper grup
mint [4d\]: furikawari = exchange
Mizuti [11k\]: xD great
Ulath [-\]: so furikawari = trade ? :)
Ulath [-\]: ok thanks :
EPGC09 [-\]: c5 is huge.
mint [4d\]: sure
IceSpectre [10k\]: that would be good for w
luckyedge [4k?\]: i think white wins 
]
;W[cn]C[deft [4d\]: center group is also huge
crazyye: ko?
Ulath [-\]: e4
deft [4d\]: also lower right side W group becomes thin
GndmHmmr [1d\]: this e4 move is there
Ho [4k?\]: Emil Sayfutdinow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
]
;B[ep]C[deft [4d\]: I think W is in more trouble than B now
]
;W[im]C[Veivi [4d\]: very complicated
IceSpectre [10k\]: b6 ? 
EPGC09 [-\]: this pushing h7 j7 is a big minus for white maybe
]
;B[jl]
;W[jm]C[Veivi [4d\]: surely not fun to be in byo-yomi at a time like this :)
Random [1k?\]: and in rengo also
Veivi [4d\]: one slip and you lose 50 points
Gattsu [9k\]: hehe
Paddlefoot [1d\]: G7?
zhiwei [9k\]: fun? exciting
]
;B[kl]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: g7 would be disaster 
GndmHmmr [1d\]: for b
luckyedge [4k?\]: well one of white groups is alive now 
Ho [4k?\]: Emil Sayfutdinow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EPGC09 [-\]: stop it ho please
IceSpectre [10k\]: b must b6 before w
Ho [4k?\]: ok,
EPGC09 [-\]: white in byo yomi
Ho [4k?\]: :)
Cassis0 [5d\]: this isnt already a disaster? 
]
;W[ki]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: lol
Gattsu [9k\]: white doesn't want a trade, just to kill ;)
mint [4d\]: L11 is unreasoanble
KoReNJe [3d\]: hah
EPGC09 [-\]: this is risky
zhiwei [9k\]: h7
Thorvald [8k\]: L7 ?
]
;B[km]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: w suicide
ILLcoyote [?\]: lol
Random [1k?\]: yup
Mikki62 [3k\]: w lost
Random [1k?\]: now w weak allaround
ILLcoyote [?\]: yerp
Gattsu [9k\]: j6  doesn't work?
luckyedge [4k?\]: no its not 
]
;W[bi]C[luckyedge [4k?\]: that group is alive already 
mint [4d\]: ...
Random [1k?\]: masaka...
]
;B[ci]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: w wants everything O.o
EPGC09 [-\]: ko 4 life?
]
;W[ah]C[Docomo [-\]: yes they do
Cassis0 [5d\]: ignore 
zazie [-\]: now, it's alive, EPGC
twold [2k\]: b10 works
IceSpectre [10k\]: b10 ?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: this doesnt kil
Cassis0 [5d\]: now b stands a chance 
Deckard [?\]: where can i find the results, so far
Deckard [?\]: ?
EPGC09 [-\]: aaaa
]
;B[ch]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: g7? 
danigabi [5d\]: ignore is risky also
geronimo [1d\]: b10
IceSpectre [10k\]: why ? 
IceSpectre [10k\]: c12 ?
danigabi [5d\]: to be alive
twold [2k\]: wow, this is good :-)
Ulath [-\]: b10 a11 a10 b9 doesn't look like ko
]
;W[bo]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: w damaged eye aji on g11
Random [1k?\]: w desperate
]
;B[bp]C[Random [1k?\]: ah!
Cassis0 [5d\]: wow 
Random [1k?\]: a6?
Cassis0 [5d\]: bad kikashi 
luckyedge [4k?\]: i disagree 
Gattsu [9k\]: to me it just looks dominating 
zhiwei [9k\]: g6
]
;W[se]C[danigabi [5d\]: w plans to make the eye?
luckyedge [4k?\]: white is winning 
twold [2k\]: i just don't get, why didn't w simply exchange? isn't it enough?
danigabi [5d\]: mmmm
EPGC09 [-\]: hmmm tenuki?
twold [2k\]: or because of byoyomi? :-)
Sandmann [-\]: whaa
danigabi [5d\]: now h7?
goblinking [1k\]: kikashi rengo ?
mint [4d\]: b should ignore that and just clean kill this
Cassis0 [5d\]: yes 
]
;B[qi]C[Veivi [4d\]: heh
zazie [-\]: it was way too big :)
hgma [5k\]: buy time
zhiwei [9k\]: dun keep asking b to ignore =P
danigabi [5d\]: black can live with q9 if he ignores so
EPGC09 [-\]: black has one periode only and white 2 periods
Ulath [-\]: r10 + r14 is big too :)
eurogotv [2k\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;W[dq]C[danigabi [5d\]: maybe it was chance to kill all
]
;B[do]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: why wasting ko threats before ko? :p 
Ulath [-\]: :)
danigabi [5d\]: time tesuji
]
;W[in]C[Gattsu [9k\]: maybe they don';t like ko :p
luckyedge [4k?\]: thats the living move 
]
;B[gm]C[Veivi [4d\]: for that ko, whoever takes first must finish
zhiwei [9k\]: g6
]
;W[gn]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: B should have g7 before imo lol
Docomo [-\]: nice
Mikki62 [3k\]: agree ILL
ILLcoyote [?\]: yep
Docomo [-\]: maybe
mint [4d\]: whats nice about this?
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i think w is cut
]
;B[ho]C[danigabi [5d\]: !
Docomo [-\]: there is something off though
Ulath [-\]: or black g6 instead of g7 
danigabi [5d\]: lol
EPGC09 [-\]: aaaaa fatal mistake?
Veivi [4d\]: hmm
GndmHmmr [1d\]: oh no
mint [4d\]: ?!
ILLcoyote [?\]: thanks Mikki =) lol someoen that agrees =D
EPGC09 [-\]: :(
GndmHmmr [1d\]: gotsata eat the other one
Docomo [-\]: take
luckyedge [4k?\]: there was nothing black can do there 
cocaDJ [5d\]: what can w do if b M10?
luckyedge [4k?\]: white lives
nidza92 [-\]: he can die
Djerem [2k\]: J4 ?
zhiwei [9k\]: f7
zazie [-\]: no luckyedge, with black F8 it was ok for him
]
;W[fm]C[Veivi [4d\]: it is w christmas
Random [1k?\]: ahem
mint [4d\]: just eat
Ulath [-\]: g6 instead of g7 couldn't work ? g6 g7 e7
]
;B[ip]
;W[jp]C[mint [4d\]: k4 k5 f4 
Gattsu [9k\]: i see b dead
Dita [2d\]: b playing so bad
]
;B[jo]
;W[fp]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: ouf4 bad plaec
danigabi [5d\]: nooo
mint [4d\]: lol
thief0923 [3k\]: oh
danigabi [5d\]: had to f3
Docomo [-\]: nice
]
;B[gm]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: so sad
Ryuzaki14: b can play 5a
thief0923 [3k\]: exchange
]
;W[fo]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: everything ok 
danigabi [5d\]: well
zhiwei [9k\]: saved
zazie [-\]: M10 ? :)
Docomo [-\]: w just killed side
Docomo [-\]: xD
Ulath [-\]: d5 dead, bad result for B I'd say
]
;B[ao]C[EPGC09 [-\]: N11..
Ryuzaki14: ko
]
;W[am]C[mint [4d\]: its christmas in russia
Dita [2d\]: lol
zazie [-\]: M10 is their only chance btw
]
;B[jj]C[Dita [2d\]: b play very wrong :)
]
;W[ji]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: b shoulda killed left
EPGC09 [-\]: b10
Docomo [-\]: b so lost
Ulath [-\]: who can blame B, with 30s per move
Docomo [-\]: xD
ZT1LB [2d\]: and diedo n r
]
;B[lj]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: died on
Pig [3d?\]: fantastic 
]
;W[li]C[luckyedge [4k?\]: that white lives also
nidza92 [-\]: n11
Paddlefoot [1d\]: time was definitely a factor in all this
]
;B[bn]C[slim76 [1d\]: r6 is dead
ZT1LB [2d\]: although this attack could make up for it
Ulath [-\]: héhé q6 under attack ? :)
]
;W[cm]C[nidza92 [-\]: if n11 b still has a chance
ILLcoyote [?\]: W hasn't been doing too bad, they've been recovering a bit
thief0923 [3k\]: a6 live
zhiwei [9k\]: a6
ZT1LB [2d\]: n10
Pig [3d?\]: n10
]
;B[an]C[Veivi [4d\]: b made huge mistake lower left but L11 was still almost equally big mistake for w
Veivi [4d\]: still paying the price
]
;W[ai]C[Ulath [-\]: r6 bigger than a6
]
;B[mj]C[mint [4d\]: im confused by this game
Docomo [-\]: ohhh
GndmHmmr [1d\]: what
Paddlefoot [1d\]: me too
zazie [-\]: now, it's chaos :)
Docomo [-\]: me as well
Docomo [-\]: its rengo
zhiwei [9k\]: play more rengo =P
Docomo [-\]: xD
]
;W[je]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: wow 
Random [1k?\]: lol
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I was expecting A11 or B10
Random [1k?\]: I expected this
Pig [3d?\]: n13
ILLcoyote [?\]: yea, B did mess up on lower left
Daoloth [-\]: the right side group shouldn't have died
Veivi [4d\]: full throttle
]
;B[ie]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: ignore
batgirl [1k\]: return of the living dead
eurogotv [2k\]: Black allready resigned; this are analyses (live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1)
]
;W[jf]C[Pig [3d?\]: no n12
zazie [-\]: uh, Harry ? o_O
Maverik [5k\]: j16 is getting weak too
ILLcoyote [?\]: return of the living dead lol
thief0923 [3k\]: not
]
(;B[if]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: now c11 can live... 
EPGC09 [-\]: how
Cassis0 [5d\]: with d15 b
Docomo [-\]: b is dead on top
Docomo [-\]: xD
])
(;B[jg]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: b resigned from that a5 mistake
thief0923 [3k\]: balck D15 live
Maverik [5k\]: not yet ))
]
;W[mg]C[EPGC09 [-\]: sorry like this
]
;B[mi]
;W[lh]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: d15...
]
;B[if]C[Maverik [5k\]: poor black
IceSpectre [10k\]: c11 looks dead
thief0923 [3k\]: 2 eyes
wildice [?\]: w b10 
zazie [-\]: J18 !
totototo [6d\]: alive
]
;W[de]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: d15 was important for both -_-
barty [1d\]: dead
Daoloth [-\]: g18
thief0923 [3k\]: d15 f15 live
]
;B[ke]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: oh yes alive 
Cassis0 [5d\]: funny 
]
;W[kd]C[wildice [?\]: b b10 - live
Ulath [-\]: :)
]
;B[jd]
;W[kf]C[gentil [-\]: j18
EPGC09 [-\]: J18 alive no?
Maverik [5k\]: b10 a8 
McStylez [2k\]: wildice: a8 removes b10
ILLcoyote [?\]: and to think I was betting money on black <_<
EPGC09 [-\]: since j19 sente
IceSpectre [10k\]: a8 after b10 and b dead
Pig [3d?\]: i think so
]
;B[lf]
;W[ke]C[gentil [-\]: j18
Pig [3d?\]: j 18
]
;B[ib]C[Ulath [-\]: m13
Amilee [?\]: over
Random [1k?\]: b is ver muc hlike me - getting a lead then a single disastrous mistake and a rad straight to hell
]
;W[ga]C[Random [1k?\]: road*
wildice [?\]: ok i see
Ulath [-\]: ko again ? :)
EPGC09 [-\]: no
Cassis0 [5d\]: j19
EPGC09 [-\]: j19 works forblack
ZT1LB [2d\]: hell being forcing your opponent to resign
]
;B[ja]C[Gonzalate [3d\]: hu
hgma [5k\]: ko
Cassis0 [5d\]: ahah
Daoloth [-\]: nice tricks from b
Cassis0 [5d\]: rengo is fun 
zazie [-\]: aaah
totototo [6d\]: no ko
gentil [-\]: j19 was better
Paddlefoot [1d\]: j19 better
Gonzalate [3d\]: nyoshi.....
]
;W[pf]C[McStylez [2k\]: m13 
ZT1LB [2d\]: nyoshi?
EPGC09 [-\]: come on it was a difficult reading you cant blame her :)
zazie [-\]: nyoshi is the name of the french girl
goblinking [1k\]: what about R6 group ?
Gonzalate [3d\]: :D ye
]
;B[sh]C[McStylez [2k\]: r6 looks dead
luckyedge [4k?\]: that white is dead
Sonica [1d\]: but kovaleva always play kikashi
]
;W[kc]C[Ulath [-\]: j18
EPGC09 [-\]: j19
Cassis0 [5d\]: e18
Ulath [-\]: j17 * :)
]
;B[ic]C[Daoloth [-\]: w.t.f.
EPGC09 [-\]: j19 worked 
Cassis0 [5d\]: e18 trheat 
gentil [-\]: no ko
]
;W[qe]C[gentil [-\]: m19 g18 
]
;B[sg]C[faignantix [4d\]: w waste all threats
GndmHmmr [1d\]: whys w spending threts
gentil [-\]: there is no ko
GndmHmmr [1d\]: time trouble?
gentil [-\]: m19 g18 g17 j19 h19 l19 
]
;W[ia]
;B[ha]C[Amilee [?\]: if J-19 then L-19
McStylez [2k\]: i see a ko
ZT1LB [2d\]: w doenst see it
Random [1k?\]: apparently w doesnt think so
Gonzalate [3d\]: ils font quoi
]
;W[aq]C[zazie [-\]: really no ko, gentil ? :)
Amilee [?\]: ko is better
gentil [-\]: this ko is costly
gentil [-\]:  and 2 steps
Cassis0 [5d\]: lol a3 
]
;B[br]
;W[ia]C[zazie [-\]: it's not two steps at all
hgma [5k\]: M13
Ulath [-\]: m13
zazie [-\]: if white connects it's dead
]
;B[lg]
;W[mh]C[gentil [-\]: a3 gives 2 kothreats
ZT1LB [2d\]: like 5 points
ZT1LB [2d\]: not humiliation\]
]
;B[ha]C[mint [4d\]: a3 will be humiliation move if w loses ko fight.
Ulath [-\]: a2 ? :)
twold [2k\]: cassis, w has another threat now. isn't it worth a few points?
EPGC09 [-\]: antoine didnt know it was his turn -_-
]
;W[ap]C[Random [1k?\]: lol
]
;B[ar]
;W[ia]C[gentil [-\]: g17
startgo1 [3k\]: w m19??
zazie [-\]: G18
gentil [-\]: b should make this ko bigger for white
IceSpectre [10k\]: g17 works too
gentil [-\]: g1§7 better
bomby [13k\]: g17/g18
]
;B[eb]C[zazie [-\]: don't think so, gentil...
Amilee [?\]: B1 was better threat than A-4
zhiwei [9k\]: this ko is too big, b cannot lose
GndmHmmr [1d\]: wait.. is this the game? did they not resign? what happened?
McStylez [2k\]: a4 is still a threat
]
;W[gb]
;B[ha]C[luckyedge [4k?\]: white a4
]
;W[ap]C[gacua [1d\]: b has e15
mint [4d\]: though many mistakes
Random [1k?\]: ^^
]
;B[aq]C[Random [1k?\]: w cheater
mint [4d\]: at least its exciting game
Cassis0 [5d\]: d18
ILLcoyote [?\]: I guess no one's resigned yet
IceSpectre [10k\]: b has also g14 
bomby [13k\]: u can see the live
startgo1 [3k\]: b10
]
;W[ia]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: ok i heard something about a resign
bomby [13k\]: its not a comment its a real game
gentil [-\]: d18
IceSpectre [10k\]: or not :)
]
;B[gc]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: b doing well
ILLcoyote [?\]: yea, same here.  not sure what that was about lol
Cassis0 [5d\]: bon ça change rien d18
]
;W[db]
;B[ha]C[IceSpectre [10k\]: over
Daoloth [-\]: b could have avoided this ko
Gonzalate [3d\]: si blanc menace de vivre à droite ?
barty [1d\]: p8 maybe :P
Random [1k?\]: w no threats?
]
;W[nk]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: w many threats on right
liso [2d\]: white can live with the group
EPGC09 [-\]: take ko.. otherwise to many ko threats anyway
zazie [-\]: ok, they will refuse this threath, and then another blitz-tsumego :)
IceSpectre [10k\]: b f8 is nice
]
;B[on]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: w get lots of threts if anser 
]
;W[ia]C[EPGC09c [-\]: all other boards finished, most players left for lunch
gacua [1d\]: f8 is bad
mint [4d\]: p6...
McStylez [2k\]: what was the response?
ZT1LB [2d\]: f8 not enough
Ulath [-\]: 42
Cassis0 [5d\]: p 6lol
Random [1k?\]: i`d have taken the ko then try to win endgame
McStylez [2k\]: hyh
]
;B[bj]C[Vega [2k\]: g14 
Gonzalate [3d\]: g15 :D ?
Gonzalate [3d\]: 4*
Cassis0 [5d\]: lol
IceSpectre [10k\]: huh ?
Ulath [-\]: ?
luckyedge [4k?\]: ?
CGBSpender [-\]: lol
startgo1 [3k\]: w cannot connect cF
startgo1 [3k\]: xD
gacua [1d\]: white must e19
katori15 [5k\]: whit ecan noit seal
mint [4d\]: sure w can
]
;W[ag]C[Gonzalate [3d\]: still ko
]
;B[ha]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: c'est malin 
mint [4d\]: just wont
]
;W[om]C[liso [2d\]: this ko is good for black
Vega [2k\]: a13 4 what?
McStylez [2k\]: a13 so that a10 wasn't sente for black
GndmHmmr [1d\]: a13 prevent death rising
]
;B[ok]
;W[ia]C[Vega [2k\]: try to kil 2 groups?
Djerem [2k\]: E19 wasnt bigger than A13 ?
gacua [1d\]: you don't want c11 live don't you?
Vega [2k\]: try to kil 2 groups?
Cassis0 [5d\]: e19
]
;B[aj]C[GndmHmmr [1d\]: try to kill 1 grup\\
Djerem [2k\]: why not ?
]
;W[al]
;B[ha]C[gentil [-\]: there are still e19 g14 
gacua [1d\]: black should e19
luckyedge [4k?\]: white going for all lol 
gentil [-\]: b has 3 local kohreats
]
;W[ol]C[gentil [-\]: e19 creates 1 more kothereats
eurogotv [2k\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
ILLcoyote [?\]: white is doing good on left side.. they just keep comin at it =P
Vega [2k\]: m19 ?
Random [1k?\]: take the ko!
IceSpectre [10k\]: looks like w is alive allready  at p8 
zhiwei [9k\]: s7
]
;B[rm]C[IceSpectre [10k\]: b take 
]
;W[ia]C[Daoloth [-\]: L19
gentil [-\]: e19
ILLcoyote [?\]: b never takes <_<
fidget [9k\]: yes e19
EPGC09 [-\]: N6?
Cassis0 [5d\]: b should have played s7 before all those forcing move 
bomby [13k\]: black dont take now, cauz he still have ko thrath !
MrFofi [2d\]: f8
EPGC09 [-\]: eliminate ko threas by n6
]
;B[ea]
;W[da]
;B[ha]
;W[rl]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: ko, now! lol
totototo [6d\]: n8?
]
;B[sl]
;W[ia]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: n14
thief0923 [3k\]: f8
ZT1LB [2d\]: g14 
EPGC09 [-\]: n6 was only option i think
zhiwei [9k\]: e7?
bomby [13k\]: g14
EPGC09 [-\]: oh lucky
batgirl [1k\]: g14 is nice
gentil [-\]: f8 is simply another ko
]
;B[fl]
;W[em]C[gentil [-\]: if b cannot win this one, creating another is useless
McStylez [2k\]: g14 doesn't work because it doesn't end in sente
gentil [-\]: oh
mint [4d\]: D. Surin has been emotionless the entire game
gacua [1d\]: remember, black still have e15 ;)
mint [4d\]: probably excellent poker player
]
;B[ha]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: yep lol
]
;W[qm]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: serious ol' Suin =P
katori15 [5k\]: f8 seemed likae a bad there
ILLcoyote [?\]: darn type-os lol
katori15 [5k\]: threat
EPGC09 [-\]: n6!
startgo1 [3k\]: take
barty [1d\]: g14 
zhiwei [9k\]: take
Cassis0 [5d\]: n6 yeah 
]
;B[fa]C[startgo1 [3k\]: then m19
maxp73 [2d\]: ..
startgo1 [3k\]: then k2
Cassis0 [5d\]: lol
ZT1LB [2d\]: u high dan epg?
ILLcoyote [?\]: about time they take lol
McStylez [2k\]: huh
luckyedge [4k?\]: white lives there 
]
;W[pl]C[Random [1k?\]: ol`Suin seems like from some fantasy novel )
Cassis0 [5d\]: how does b kill? 
startgo1 [3k\]: n6
]
;B[mn]
;W[mm]C[startgo1 [3k\]: m19
maxp73 [2d\]: i dont get it
goblinking [1k\]: he can't
]
;B[la]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: lol, I've been keeping my eye on that Surin guy the whole time =P lol
ZT1LB [2d\]: n14 
ILLcoyote [?\]: so serious =P
]
;W[mb]C[mint [4d\]: n18 n19 o19 l19 o18 k3 
McStylez [2k\]: k3 
]
;B[jq]C[McStylez [2k\]: yay
mint [4d\]: or just k3 first -___-
gacua [1d\]: I would n14
]
;W[jr]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: w wins this way... 
Random [1k?\]: b loses -12-13
]
;B[kr]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: y not b g14
startgo1 [3k\]: n14
Miyabiyama [-\]: s6 big
]
;W[is]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: B better do something..
]
;B[mf]C[Random [1k?\]: bdoesnt have much to do
bomby [13k\]: black can win
]
;W[nc]C[bomby [13k\]: with only sente move !
EPGC09 [-\]: black can win maybe
EPGC09 [-\]: ok probably not
]
;B[ne]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: lol
zhiwei [9k\]: heh
]
;W[ln]C[Random [1k?\]: )
]
;B[lo]C[gacua [1d\]: blak surely lost
McStylez [2k\]: j10 is big
ZT1LB [2d\]: if w has medical issue
ILLcoyote [?\]: B was doing good... what a downfall lol
Maverik [5k\]: o17 seems mean "we have enought already"
gentil [-\]: s6 is big
barty [1d\]: no way for win for black now
]
;W[rn]C[Sonica [1d\]: more than 20 points..
GreenApple [2k?\]: go black go!
luckyedge [4k?\]: from the get go everyone here was saying white lost white lost 
GreenApple [2k?\]: u can do it
goblinking [1k\]: o14 was sente, not o15
luckyedge [4k?\]: now everyone is saying back lost 
]
;B[sm]C[luckyedge [4k?\]: typical kgs 
ILLcoyote [?\]: well, white came back with a shark bite =P
Gattsu [9k\]: w win , b dead
]
;W[sn]
;B[sk]C[twold [2k\]: don't blay kibitz, b screwed up
Gattsu [9k\]: easy
]
;W[sp]C[twold [2k\]: *blame
]
;B[sq]
;W[so]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: b, resign lol
luckyedge [4k?\]: everyone was saying when should white resign 
]
;B[rq]
;W[nn]C[mint [4d\]: yeah, because turnarounds and comebacks NEVER happen in go.
ILLcoyote [?\]: shame I wanted ot bet money on 'em <_<
ILLcoyote [?\]: lol
]
;B[mo]C[Daoloth [-\]: J17 was the losing move
]
;W[no]
;B[np]
;W[kj]
;B[jk]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: many losing moves
twold [2k\]: the last losing you mean? ^^
]
;W[ij]C[Daoloth [-\]: well, it lead to the ko above
HoangVu [-\]: if u wanna win u should never resign, cause who knows? he might selfatari
]
;B[od]
;W[oc]C[bomby [13k\]: looool
eurogotv [2k\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
twold [2k\]: yeah, or get a heart attack. you never know
HoangVu [-\]: exactly
zhiwei [9k\]: m8
]
;B[ks]C[bigbrohoho [7k\]: gogo fenech !!
twold [2k\]: though that is harder in pair go. the other one will continue ^^
]
;W[gl]C[maxp73 [2d\]: M8
]
;B[nf]C[mint [4d\]: i must say, for EGC 5d+6d pair, I wasn't very impressed by quality of gameplay.
]
;W[ng]
;B[fl]C[mint [4d\]: EGF*
]
;W[ee]C[HoangVu [-\]: err, conflicting styles
]
;B[fe]
;W[gl]C[Gattsu [9k\]: fact
]
;B[be]
;W[ce]C[zhiwei [9k\]: p15
]
;B[fl]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: what's EGF?  European GO something?
Laman [3k\]: federation
mint [4d\]: european go federation
thief0923 [3k\]: small ko
]
;W[oe]
;B[nd]
(;W[gl])
(;W[md]
;B[cs]
;W[ds]
;B[bs]
;W[gl]
;B[ll]
;W[ml]
;B[fl]
;W[ma]C[EricM [2d\]: not small
rapyuta89 [4d\]: b will escape
]
;B[ka]C[mint [4d\]: if c11 group wasn't dead and liberties were filled, f4 group looks like good tsumego.
barty [1d\]: after e1 could be big :\]
GreenApple [2k?\]: whats tsumego?
zhiwei [9k\]: e1 =P
]
;W[gs]C[barty [1d\]: who knows
mint [4d\]: go problem
GreenApple [2k?\]: ic
Kirigo: no way now
ZT1LB [2d\]: electronic glowstick flouncing
mint [4d\]: you tried too hard ZT1LB.
]
;B[js]
;W[ir]C[ramen7932 [-\]: 4d how can he escape int this a tournoment?
GreenApple [2k?\]: losing by alot
GreenApple [2k?\]: such shame!
Cassis0 [5d\]: just run away 
Cassis0 [5d\]: from the goban 
ramen7932 [-\]: lol
]
;B[gl]C[ramen7932 [-\]: but forfiet
]
;W[pk]C[ZT1LB [2d\]: dont forget to tip over board first
GreenApple [2k?\]: resign u older bugger
Cassis0 [5d\]: no, lose by time 
ramen7932 [-\]: ah
GreenApple [2k?\]: the 3dan , is asian
ZT1LB [2d\]: oops!
]
;B[sf]
;W[sd]C[Gattsu [9k\]: they get up, one throws a smoke ball , the other one throws the goban in the air
GreenApple [2k?\]: why did u hav to put shame on us T_T
GreenApple [2k?\]: Asians r meant to be the best
GreenApple [2k?\]: why1
Gattsu [9k\]: and before all the stones fall , they're both out of sight
]
;B[dm]
;W[en]C[ramen7932 [-\]: resign**
]
;B[go]
;W[fq]
;B[kn]
;W[nj]
;B[ni]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]
;W[kh]
;B[jh]C[thief0923 [3k\]: count
]
;W[me]
;B[qk]
;W[pj]
;B[ro]C[ILLcoyote [?\]: lol
ramen7932 [-\]: no neeed
ILLcoyote [?\]: did I just see Surin smile 0_0
ILLcoyote [?\]: it was faint, but I saw it...
ramen7932 [-\]: o ya on the intenet gokga site do they tell u the score?
mint [4d\]: lol is Fenech raging?
HoangVu [-\]: black vietnamese?
IceSpectre [10k\]: so what is the score ? 
mi1 [3k\]: w + 15 ?
EPGC09 [-\]: Come watch the next rouns
HoangVu [-\]: vietnamese players are weak
zhiwei [9k\]: now they going to blame each other on the mistakes (black) =x
EPGC09 [-\]: *last round
Random [1k?\]: )))
ThunderGod [4d\]: Pocsai-Fódi pair still playing?
EPGC09 [-\]: you can find the time of the round at your local time in my info
Gattsu [9k\]: they did good for their lvl
ILLcoyote [?\]: for black.. I say it was the girl's fault, always hte girl's fault lol
ILLcoyote [?\]: j/k =P
mint [4d\]: its why i hate rengo
Random [1k?\]: I wanna hear (
mint [4d\]: people blame their opponent after game
ILLcoyote [?\]: because of the blaming game? 
mint [4d\]: and their teammate
ILLcoyote [?\]: lol
EPGC09 [-\]: W+14.5
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i dont blaim my oponent when i play rengo. its all i can do
zhiwei [9k\]: thx for the game
bomby [13k\]: it was funny
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i got balimed before tho lol
zhiwei [9k\]: they should unite mentally
HoangVu [-\]: I just blame myself
zhiwei [9k\]: and physically
HoangVu [-\]: err
mint [4d\]: look at Surin
mint [4d\]: even after game, still smooth.
GndmHmmr [1d\]: tornaments pretty competitive atmosphere
ILLcoyote [?\]: they should have done the smoke bomb trick..
ILLcoyote [?\]: yea, Surin kept it smooth
ILLcoyote [?\]: but I saw him smile at a point!  I caught it lol
mint [4d\]: he must get all the ladies with that suave.
GndmHmmr [1d\]: i couldnt see surin blaiming 
ILLcoyote [?\]: lol
])))))
