(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 1 board 3]PW[Thomas Debarre]PB[Chang Yuan Jung]WR[5d]BR[7d]DT[2009-07-26]EV[Main]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[FR]BT[TW]
;B[pd]C[Joshua96 [5k\]: hello ^^
OneLuck [2d\]: WHITE FTW
Fuzzi [2d?\]: Finally, Baptiste Noir vs Michel Blanc ! I have been longing for this game. 
OneLuck [2d\]: White starts and wins by force. I just analysed this with my computer. I am from the future btw
]
;W[dp]C[mishik [6k\]: Where is Alex Dinershtein?
]
;B[qp]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: sleeping
]
;W[dc]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]: first round.  depending on how they're deciding, the top boards may be pretty random
Joshua96 [5k\]: some pairings in web?
]
;B[fq]
;W[hq]
;B[oq]C[OneLuck [2d\]: what are the ranks?
mishik [6k\]: Who's playing on this table?
mishik [6k\]: thx
]
;W[kq]C[mishik [6k\]: ^^
Joshua96 [5k\]: thx
]
;B[cq]C[Violence [-\]: What a weird name black has...
mulder [9d?\]: allez thomas
]
;W[dq]
;B[cp]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]: the congress says Black is a 1p
MssrBlanc [3k\]: (taiwanese)
Violence [-\]: I see
]
;W[do]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[eq]
;B[cn]C[etienne92 [18k\]: motoki plays today?
OneLuck [2d\]: is thomas strong?
]
;W[qj]C[Hellhuman [4k\]: he is  5d..
]
;B[de]C[Hellhuman [4k\]: why do you ask wheather he is strong ~?
OneLuck [2d\]: why not? 
minismurf [-\]: Thomas is good, should have no chance here, but he is a young player and improving quickly
minismurf [-\]: hopefully he can give a good fight :)
OneLuck [2d\]: how young is thomas?
MssrBlanc [3k\]: ratings say he's just a bit behind Cornel
OneLuck [2d\]: I wonder if I really should watch this game for 5 hours
BenjaminGl [12k\]: are all thre games going to be shown online?
MssrBlanc [3k\]: Do you really have to ask? 
]
;W[ce]
;B[dd]
;W[cd]
;B[ec]C[OneLuck [2d\]: I wanna see oh chimin play
Hellhuman [4k\]: isnt this rustysword?
OneLuck [2d\]: yes
]
;W[cf]
;B[db]
;W[cc]
;B[kc]C[minismurf [-\]: Thomas is 16 I believe, maybe 17
lrichard [23k\]: 16
lrichard [23k\]: 13/04/1993
]
;W[qf]
;B[qd]
;W[ph]
;B[ke]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]: wow..q12 feels slow
Mem0r3x [1k\]: c8
Explorer [1k\]: Smth around f17
]
;W[qn]
;B[fd]C[Explorer [1k\]: Too late :P
wannagame: w opening is lacking potential
MssrBlanc [3k\]: yeah, this is the kind of game where I look at white and ask "am I missing something?"
]
;W[cl]
;B[eg]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: e7
ketchup [2k\]: probe time at q3?
]
;W[dn]
;B[cm]
;W[dm]
;B[bl]
;W[bk]
;B[ck]
;W[dl]
;B[bm]
;W[cj]
;B[lp]C[Explorer [1k\]: White tries to lose "by a margin"? :)
kvv [5d\]: table tournament - can somebody write 
kvv [5d\]: is it european chempionat?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
kvv [5d\]: websait can you write. please
]
;W[kp]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://www.egc2009.nl
]
;B[ln]C[kvv [5d\]: thanks
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Black is aiming r8?
ketchup [2k\]: o3 probe!
ketchup [2k\]: come onn must be some sort of move i ncorner!
Mem0r3x [1k\]: n5 m5 k6?
]
;W[mp]C[ketchup [2k\]: gah :(
]
;B[mo]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: n4 seems like these pro-like moves which are bad ^^
Fuzzi [4d?\]: I'd like to see O17/S17 combination :> 
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:22, black 2:19
BrYanwithY [5k\]: wow
isbhal [-\]: lol
Muscadet [?\]: imo white should have played o4 instead of c10
BrYanwithY [5k\]: interesting
BrYanwithY [5k\]: I don't like it
BrYanwithY [5k\]: so what's the best move now?
Fuzzi [4d?\]: If white doesn't do something at the top, it's a lost game ~
Fuzzi [4d?\]: P6 or S4 are also kind of big, but I do not think they are enough... Feels like W is about 15 pts behind, even counting komi
Fuzzi [4d?\]: So the top right corner must become white in a big way, or in a small way but with sente to protect R8
Fuzzi [4d?\]: (small way => reducing, big way = living)
]
;W[lq]
;B[np]
;W[lo]
;B[mn]
(;W[ko])
(;W[kn]
;B[ql]C[silver2k4 [5d\]: this game must be ownage :)
MoussDiouf: do you think f3 stone can be saved ?
MagCheung [4k\]: like Ryan soldier
Fuzzi [4d?\]: If white lets it in exchange for something else, why not .. but as it stands, closer to being dead than most stones on the board
BrYanwithY [5k\]: trying to save f3 outright would be silly
silver2k4 [5d\]: white is overconcentrated on the bottom. black definetly dont want to invade and rescue that stone :)
MagCheung [4k\]: is L7 white better than R6 ? 
MagCheung [4k\]: R8 *
MagCheung [4k\]: sorry L7 Black 
BrYanwithY [5k\]: What?
BrYanwithY [5k\]: oh
Fuzzi [4d?\]: Not really, this white moyo isn't too big
BrYanwithY [5k\]: L7 seems tough, but since white might be feeling desparate, he might ignore it....even though it's huge
MagCheung [4k\]: But L7 white big; isn't ? 
Fuzzi [4d?\]: Even with L7, can't be much more than 40 pts in there
Fuzzi [4d?\]: Which is what black will make if he can eat R6... and if he doesn't, then he'll have all the time in the world to play L7 :>
gerulas [4k\]: s8 or q8?
BrYanwithY [5k\]: or neither?
silver2k4 [5d\]: i think playing l7 as a forcing move before r8 was the question?
BrYanwithY [5k\]: I think so
Fuzzi [4d?\]: I guess black wants to keep a deep move like J6 in his pocket
Fuzzi [4d?\]: If R8 turns out to not be enough ~
silver2k4 [5d\]: j6? uh
gerulas [4k\]: j7 its at the border
Fuzzi [4d?\]: Just trying to understand what kind of follow up L7 would be preventing
silver2k4 [5d\]: yes
Fuzzi [4d?\]: hmm
Fuzzi [4d?\]: Maybe it's even simpler
Fuzzi [4d?\]: l7 k7, how to keep sente ?
BrYanwithY [5k\]: Anyone watching the video?
Fuzzi [4d?\]: (without giving too much)
Fuzzi [4d?\]: l7 k7 l8 k8 => too much, l7 k7 k6 l5 k8 j7 l8 (or something) => gote
MagCheung [4k\]: White aji on R3 for the yose
]
;W[pp]C[BrYanwithY [5k\]: interesting, not even a direction I considered
]
;B[pq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: black has pretty shapes
Uberdude [4d?\]: that top side is beautifully efficient
]
;W[rp]
;B[qq]
;W[pm]
;B[pj]C[gelda [2k\]: on the website it's said that b is 1p not 7d ? is it right ?
BrYanwithY [5k\]: Is there a best point to invade at the top, later?  Can white play O17 and get away with it?
Daoloth [-\]: hopeless game for white I'd say
]
;W[pi]
;B[pk]C[fab [-\]: with this shape, I think white P17 is the correct invasion point
Spike [2d\]: m17 also possible i guess
]
;W[ol]
;B[nj]C[Daoloth [-\]: m16 would be too good shape for b (in reply to m17)
]
;W[qk]
;B[pl]
;W[rl]
;B[nk]
;W[qm]
;B[km]
;W[jn]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: seems w did better ehre connecting
Uberdude [4d?\]: and cah
Uberdude [4d?\]: cash
]
;B[pf]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: b shoulda s10 perhaps
]
;W[pg]
;B[of]
;W[nh]
;B[rf]
;W[rg]
;B[qe]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: top is territory now
]
;W[qg]C[otternase [1d\]: which line dude ?
ben0 [5d\]: and hard to invade  -_-
Uberdude [4d?\]: ?
]
;B[fj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: f10 is pretty nice
]
;W[mg]
;B[lf]C[Fuzzi [5d?\]: Looks like black is wrapping up the game :)
]
;W[kh]
;B[jh]
;W[ji]
;B[jg]
;W[ii]
;B[hh]C[gelda [2k\]: n8 cuts ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: c18 is quite big
burrich [-\]: O8 maybe
Uberdude [4d?\]: given d8 aji even moreso
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 0:17 black 2:07
slappo [?\]: white m8?
Uberdude [4d?\]: that's time remaining?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
Uberdude [4d?\]: what they start iwith?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 2:30
Uberdude [4d?\]: hehe
Edelweiss [-\]: maybe p7 interesting to have something like N8 or o5 after
JacquesGo [5d?\]: O 15 
plusguy [-\]: pff black didnt even waste 1/5 of his time yat
plusguy [-\]: difference in skill is just too much
]
;W[ml]C[Mouss: how much is komi here ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 8 (ing rules)
]
;B[lk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: are the clocks being rude yet?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: not yet
dupre [1k\]: o7 makes any sense?
Uberdude [4d?\]: some
]
;W[ll]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: but is it enough?
]
;B[kl]
;W[mk]
;B[lj]C[Edelweiss [-\]: allé thomas !
JacquesGo [5d?\]: : ) 
]
;W[mj]
;B[mi]
;W[nl]
;B[ki]C[dosaku13 [4k\]: kelkun conné le pseudo de thomas sur kgs
Fuzzi [5d?\]: rubik, neufx9
]
;W[ni]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white in byo-yomi, black 2:05
]
;B[ik]C[dosaku13 [4k\]: ok merci
dupre [1k\]: game over
Uberdude [4d?\]: b ained just as much as w
dosaku13 [4k\]: pauvre thomas
Uberdude [4d?\]: j11 big
]
;W[gk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i bet black will get c18
PooH [5k\]: i bet game will end before that
]
;B[hk]C[Nyrckes [1k\]: gah hard to count big territorys T_T
Highwayman [1d\]: game is already end
]
;W[gj]
;B[hi]C[PooH [5k\]: b 100 w  70
]
;W[hl]C[dupre [1k\]: white's next move is to resign gracefully
]
;B[il]
;W[gi]
;B[gh]C[lonely [1d\]: why resign? Oo
anicca [2d?\]: not the time to resign yet
lonely [1d\]: yeah
MoogleOo [-\]: H7 and F11 - miai
]
;W[fi]C[anicca [2d?\]: h7 big though
]
;B[hm]
;W[gl]
;B[im]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: rather huge
anicca [2d?\]: h7 looked bigger to me
MoogleOo [-\]: ya
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes f11 seems smaller
MoogleOo [-\]: and sent
Uberdude [4d?\]: as now b will riun into moyo
Uberdude [4d?\]: whereas w h7 b f11 w can tenuki to c18
]
;W[ro]
;B[mr]C[anicca [2d?\]: or s5
]
;W[mq]
;B[nq]
;W[lh]
;B[li]
;W[cb]
;B[eb]C[Prodigious [5d?\]: Someone should have bet against Uberdude earlier
Uberdude [4d?\]: =)
]
;W[gn]C[MoogleOo [-\]: Why E18? H 5 look better
]
;B[dh]
;W[df]
;B[ef]C[Naurul [8k\]: r18 ???
anicca [2d?\]: :-)
Eramse [6k\]: maybe black don't want to see an invasion attempt around h17..
]
;W[ch]C[JacquesGo [5d?\]: thomas makes somes threats
]
;B[lr]
;W[kr]C[kochai [6d\]: b wn about 10
]
;B[re]C[Boogeyman [3k\]: s2 
kochai [6d\]: d11
]
;W[rq]
;B[rr]
;W[sr]
;B[rs]C[plusguy [-\]: black fails at counting? :p
Violence [-\]: hmm
JacquesGo [5d?\]: nice come back thomas
Violence [-\]: I think black's comfortably ahead, still...
plusguy [-\]: no come back
]
;W[co]C[crouik [?\]: come back ?
plusguy [-\]: thomas should have resigned 100 moves ago
]
;B[bo]
;W[al]
;B[gm]
;W[fm]
;B[io]C[plusguy [-\]: im not as strong as this guys but can easily see the difference even without se :p
]
;W[am]
;B[bn]C[subtlekyu [1d\]: would white not have played a9 after black's a7?
Violence [-\]: it might be close...
subtlekyu [1d\]: prior to black's playing g7, that is
]
;W[ho]C[Violence [-\]: but I don't feel like white's ahead somehow
]
;B[in]
;W[ip]
;B[jo]
;W[ko]C[Violence [-\]: there's still so many reductions to play
]
;B[es]
;W[fs]C[plusguy [-\]: and b has all thesente moves
]
;B[ds]C[plusguy [-\]: xD
plusguy [-\]: C19, D10 etc
Violence [-\]: T13
]
;W[fr]C[Violence [-\]: d11 is biggest, I think
]
;B[di]C[tomash [3k\]: nice call
Violence [-\]: lucky guess
]
;W[fh]C[gelda [2k\]: n14 ?
]
;B[fg]C[Javaness [2d\]: Ing Rules in these games
Violence [-\]: this move is so painful for white...
Violence [-\]: komi is 8 B w Ties?
Javaness [2d\]: i think 7.5
]
;W[dj]C[Javaness [2d\]: not completely sure
Violence [-\]: I see
]
;B[hj]C[Violence [-\]: Well, that's 8 bwt
ben0 [5d\]: 8
plusguy [-\]: H9 ?
crouik [?\]:  Ing Rules ? if so.. why is it using japanese kgs sytem ?
Violence [-\]: oho....
Javaness [2d\]: because they forgot to change it obviously :)
Violence [-\]: B10 is a nice suji that remains
]
;W[hn]C[johndoe [4k?\]: tesujji at f6?
Javaness [2d\]: oh wait, Ing isn't a sponsor this year though
]
;B[sg]
;W[sh]
;B[sf]C[Violence [-\]: good catch, john
johndoe [4k?\]: thx
Violence [-\]: I think B10 is pretty sweet
Mo [-\]: b10?
Mo [-\]: yes
]
;W[oj]C[gelda [2k\]: ?
Violence [-\]: ?!
Violence [-\]: No way
plusguy [-\]: huh ?
MoogleOo [-\]: nah...
ben0 [5d\]: b10 -_-
MoogleOo [-\]: not fair)
Javaness [2d\]: why did white play there?
Violence [-\]: oh, it doesn't work
plusguy [-\]: missclick by eurogo or w is just foolin around since he counted
plusguy [-\]: xD
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: not a misclick ;)
Violence [-\]: s12 t11 s11 t10 s10 t9 s9 t8 r11 s7 
Violence [-\]: well, I guess it's semedori?
MoogleOo [-\]: no s7 is wrong
ben0 [5d\]: s12 works anyway
]
;B[an]
;W[ak]C[MoogleOo [-\]: he'll eat in p9
]
;B[ap]C[Violence [-\]: what? then S7 for black, moogly
Violence [-\]: moogle^
]
;W[ci]C[MoogleOo [-\]: =)
]
;B[ca]C[ben0 [5d\]: don't understand a6 -_-
]
;W[ba]
;B[da]C[Mouss: why thomas doesnt resign ?
Gonzalate [2d\]: idem, ben
GOmaster1D [9k\]: hello
]
;W[jm]
;B[jl]C[LeDonc [1k\]: why should  he resign ?
GOmaster1D [9k\]: this game is live?
ben0 [5d\]: cause he wins of course
GOmaster1D [9k\]: is this game is live
johndoe [4k?\]: yes
GOmaster1D [9k\]: where is the this congres
]
;W[mh]
;B[kk]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: groningen, netherlands
]
;W[kg]C[Gonzalate [2d\]: :o)
JacquesGo [5d?\]: N 12 was good threat
]
;B[kf]C[johndoe [4k?\]: q5 starting to be big also
]
;W[mf]
;B[me]
;W[bb]C[Mouss: thomas is winning ?
]
;B[po]C[Violence [-\]: I don't think so
fivekiller [2k\]: no
Violence [-\]: my counting doesn't think so either
Uberdude [4d?\]: still, decent job against a kjorean 7d
Violence [-\]: I count B+9ish
Javaness [2d\]: he did quite well though
Violence [-\]: Taiwanese, Uber
Violence [-\]: Korea has no such syllable as Yuan
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh yeh
murai [3d\]: black is 1p
gelda [2k\]: b is 1p
Violence [-\]: though the Jung is odd, it's Taiwanese Romanization
]
;W[on]C[gelda [2k\]: according to  www.egc2009.nl
Violence [-\]: thanks for the link
]
;B[oo]C[GOmaster1D [9k\]: i don t think so
]
;W[nf]
;B[ne]
;W[og]C[murai [3d\]: ???
]
;B[jp]C[Javaness [2d\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=participants
]
;W[jq]
;B[ei]
;W[ej]
;B[dg]
;W[ls]
;B[nr]C[hacaonong [3k\]: O6
Javaness [2d\]: seems a little strange that Thomas is in the supergroup
subtlekyu [1d\]: why do they not play s12?
Highwayman [1d\]: because it don't work
]
;W[cg]C[ben0 [5d\]:  because thomas is strong enough :)
Javaness [2d\]: I want them to play S12 anyway
]
;B[ms]
;W[ks]C[gelda [2k\]: doesn't work
]
;B[nn]C[Javaness [2d\]: how many in the supergroup - 32?
Uberdude [4d?\]: subtlekyu, because they read in their heads, not on the board
johndoe [4k?\]: why waste ko threat :<
ben0 [5d\]: i don't know
subtlekyu [1d\]: :)
]
;W[qo]C[GOmaster1D [9k\]: who won t play with me
]
;B[lm]C[GOmaster1D [9k\]: now
]
;W[sq]
;B[pn]
;W[om]
;B[lg]
;W[ss]
;B[qr]
;W[eh]C[Violence [-\]: I won't play with you
]
;B[nm]
;W[mm]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are counting
GOmaster1D [9k\]: what is a your rank
johndoe [4k?\]: lol ^^
Akisame [8k\]: S+ 11,5
Violence [6d?\]: Lower than this
Javaness [2d\]: S12 creates a 1 eyed group only
GOmaster1D [9k\]: violence
Javaness [2d\]: violence is aga 5d or something
Violence [-\]: Geh, stop spreading rumors, Java
Violence [-\]: I'll get you back for this in a week
Javaness [2d\]: i'm going to enter at 2kyu
pablo [4k\]: why not s12 ???
Violence [-\]: Jeez
ben0 [5d\]: doesn't work
Gonzalate [2d\]: Javaness [2d\]: S12 creates a 1 eyed group only
Javaness [2d\]: if i was czech i could actually do that :)
Violence [-\]: you Europeans, coming to our tournaments, taking our prize money.
johndoe [4k?\]: q9 is dead?
Javaness [2d\]: S12 captures R10, yes
johndoe [4k?\]: lots of eyes
ben0 [5d\]: it's normal violence
Javaness [2d\]: but it doesn't make 2 eyes
AhSayuni [4d\]: hehe
AhSayuni [4d\]: it's nice
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: B+
ben0 [5d\]: + ? :)
Javaness [2d\]: Black wins by...
LaSorciere [4d\]: x)
AhSayuni [4d\]: I guess they're counting
Akisame [8k\]: 4,5?
Violence [-\]: It feels like 10
halfadon [3k\]: I bet on 7
plusguy [-\]: 9pts
GOmaster1D [9k\]: i bet on 6
lonely [1d\]: 9
GOmaster1D [9k\]: 6
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Thomas said 11
ben0 [5d\]: oh
ben0 [5d\]: big -____-
Violence [-\]: And I'm the closest without going over
Javaness [2d\]: thanks Eurogotv3
Violence [-\]: I'm the next contestant on the Score is Right
Gonzalate [2d\]: t'aurais pas fait mieux , ben -.-)
Mouss: 9.5
GOmaster1D [9k\]: who won t play with me
kochai [6d\]: b win 10
GOmaster1D [9k\]: WHO WON T PLAY WITH ME
Javaness [2d\]: GOmaster1D: stand in the corner
GOmaster1D [9k\]: i don t understand javaness
kostyor [1k\]: who is win? 
GOmaster1D [9k\]: black
mishik [6k\]: And wear a hat :)
mishik [6k\]: What was the point of n7?
Kramos [10k\]: Why black don't s12 ??
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