(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]
PW[DEBARRE Thomas 3D]PB[SILT Ondrej 6D]WR[3d]BR[6d]DT[2006-11-11]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[hmph [1d\]: hmmm why are the time control for the 2 games different?
Holmes [-\]: pompom, Thomas
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;B[co]C[EYGML1 [-\]: Enjoy all ^^
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;W[qd]
;B[ee]C[TheClown [2d\]: ondrej try make game weird :)
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;W[pq]
;B[ce]C[TheClown [2d\]: i like o17 now
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;W[oc]
;B[fc]C[tasuki [-\]: he says that c15 e15 f17 combination is invincible :)
TheClown [2d\]: but i takes some move to make it
TheClown [2d\]: now white makes second shimari
TheClown [2d\]: and f17 not facin so interesting direction
]
;W[jp]C[hmph [1d\]: silt plays this combination often?
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;B[qn]C[TheClown [2d\]: is debarre a r4 or q5 man
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;W[po]
;B[rp]
;W[ql]
;B[pn]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[qq]
;B[rm]
;W[on]
;B[pl]
;W[om]
;B[qk]C[TheClown [2d\]: r9?
TheClown [2d\]: is it better than old move
TheClown [2d\]: in olddays we always q9
GeRui [3d\]: if r9 w r11/12 is not forcing
TheClown [2d\]: but now p8 forcing
GeRui [3d\]: in this position w would like to develop UR shimari
TheClown [2d\]: guess it is  a choice
TheClown [2d\]: yeah
GeRui [3d\]: yes, pros and cons
]
;W[ol]
;B[pk]C[TheClown [2d\]: what now - what is biggest
GeRui [3d\]: e4?
Shinichi56 [6k\]: normally isnt it q8 instead of r8?
GeRui [3d\]: e5 even?
TheClown [2d\]: many nice points
TheClown [2d\]: r13 also nice
TheClown [2d\]: black happy to play r15
GeRui [3d\]: LL corner bigger imho
tudorus [3d\]: e4
TheClown [2d\]: e5 is not my move
GeRui [3d\]: e4 normal, but i don't know w style :)
TheClown [2d\]: what about e3
GeRui [3d\]: b e5 then
Janan [3k?\]: Fidrmuc and Silt are brother?
TheClown [2d\]: g4
GeRui [3d\]: no Janan, they have the same name
Janan [3k?\]: ok thanks
]
;W[ep]C[TheClown [2d\]: i guess ondrej is e5 man
]
;B[eo]C[TheClown [2d\]: <:o)
TheClown [2d\]: but k4 in good position for white - isnt it
GeRui [3d\]: yes, b must develop the left, e5 is quite expected
]
;W[fo]C[tasuki [-\]: Ondrej is given name... like Andrew... not a surname...
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;B[dp]C[GeRui [3d\]: is the border of two moyos...
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;W[en]
;B[do]C[TheClown [2d\]: actuall i like whites position
Fabiano [1k\]: b has m3 , no?
TheClown [2d\]: yes but he need play it very soon
TheClown [2d\]: white must e3 here i guess
]
;W[fp]
;B[dq]C[Shinichi56 [6k\]: f6 better for w?
TheClown [2d\]: hmm d3 quiet big
GeRui [3d\]: f2 and f6 now miai for b
TheClown [2d\]: f8?
TheClown [2d\]: almost unbeable defend edge and let d3 be sente
GeRui [3d\]: agree
TheClown [2d\]: i not like f4
TheClown [2d\]: i would have e3 not f4
Fabiano [1k\]: b position seems better
GeRui [3d\]: f6 looks normal instead of f4, but b corner really big then
GeRui [3d\]: e3 would be too thin i suppose
]
;W[fl]C[TheClown [2d\]: i like thin moves <:o)
uurtamo [9k\]: is this from a tournament somewhere?
TheClown [2d\]: will black invade now
GeRui [3d\]: invasion? hmmm
TheClown [2d\]: if black invad and succeed white is hard pressed on pts
]
(;B[lq]C[TheClown [2d\]: i can read silts thinking - hehe
GeRui [3d\]: ^^
Gradhaich [1d?\]: aims at p5 weakness?
TheClown [2d\]: yup
TheClown [2d\]: and k3 ofcourse
GeRui [3d\]: even if invasion not succesful, it's unlikely b won't get something out of it
TheClown [2d\]: but k3 not such a nice way for white to attack as he is open on edge
TheClown [2d\]: but probably have to k3 
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps this invasion not 100% undangerous
TheClown [2d\]: it is not that easy to see how wil develop after k3
GeRui [3d\]: after k3 living not easy, but b has forcing moves from outside then
GeRui [3d\]: and still has f2
Malingo [3d\]: k3 l7 maybe
TheClown [2d\]: i think as yose miro i have some doubts
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;W[kq]C[GeRui [3d\]: so w territory not so big even if m3 ends captured
TheClown [2d\]: this is weak
]
;B[lo]C[TheClown [2d\]: k3 better
GeRui [3d\]: L6 now
JeansebL [5k\]: or L7 ?
GeRui [3d\]: L3 sometimes used in this situation when followed with L6
TheClown [2d\]: just the fact hat black now have pt at j3 makes L3 bad
GeRui [3d\]: because k3 doesn't force a response
Oumpopotte [5d\]: m8
Pingu007 [2d\]: that would have been my moves too (l3/l6) :)
Oumpopotte [5d\]: I prefer M8 to M7 in this position
GeRui [3d\]: so if k3, b could just L7 or something then tenuki
TheClown [2d\]: i not sure the exchange m3 k3 would have been succes as yose miro
GeRui [3d\]: probably w didn't want that, but we'll see
GeRui [3d\]: l6 m6 l7 m7 m8 n8 n9 works for shutting in
Oumpopotte [5d\]: after boshi B will play K5
]
(;W[lm]C[bojim [-\]: allez thomas!!!!!!!!!
GeRui [3d\]: but
EYGML4 [-\]: coucou jm
bojim [-\]: salut :)
]
;B[kr]C[EYGML4 [-\]: (Helene et chwing)
bojim [-\]: dur dur pour thomas apres l'invasion d'ondrej...
TheClown [2d\]: begins to look ko like
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;W[jr]
;B[kp]
;W[jq]
;B[jo]C[bojim [-\]: aie aie...
TheClown [2d\]: this black shape thin
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;W[mp]
;B[lp]C[TheClown [2d\]: l4 k5 i not understand - it feels brute
Fabiano [1k\]: maybe there is a plan by black
TheClown [2d\]: i would have n2 instead
TheClown [2d\]: try setup a ko
GeRui [3d\]: instead of l4?
bojim [-\]: I remember everybody that ondrej was insei for 3 years
TheClown [2d\]: yes
bojim [-\]: and is one of the best european players
TheClown [2d\]: i not like this black shape
GeRui [3d\]: hm
bojim [-\]: on the other hand, thomas is just 12 years old and almost 4 d
Oumpopotte [5d\]: <L6 looks fine
GeRui [3d\]: it looks natural to me, but
amni [2k\]: 12 !? wow.
bojim [-\]: he already won against 5 and 6 dan
bojim [-\]: and is probably gonna become the french strongest players in the years to come
TheClown [2d\]: when i have group like black have now it usually dies
]
;W[kn]
;B[ko]C[Fabiano [1k\]: j7 ?
bojim [-\]: but the clown... you are weak, ondrej isn't...
fan [1k\]: looks terribly
]
;W[im]
;B[jm]C[Fabiano [1k\]: k8 
GeRui [3d\]: yes
bojim [-\]: allez thomas:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheClown [2d\]: j6 better than j7?
TheClown [2d\]: this k7 is anoying
Oumpopotte [5d\]: Thomas, mange lui son paté !
]
;W[jn]
;B[io]C[TheClown [2d\]: h4
GeRui [3d\]: k6 bad
]
;W[hp]C[TheClown [2d\]: dont think just h4
GeRui [3d\]: should k8
]
;B[in]C[Fabiano [1k\]: b wants n7 ?
Oumpopotte [5d\]: K8 I agree
Ender [7k\]: ca porrai se terminer assez vite.....
Ender [7k\]: *pourrai
charlx [7k\]: pourrait
bojim [-\]: pas forcément...
GeRui [3d\]: n7, h7... b has more options
bojim [-\]: mine de rien noir a des points...
Ender [7k\]: merci charlx^^
Oumpopotte [5d\]: K8 semble bon
GeRui [3d\]: k6 helped to make this options
TheClown [2d\]: still black looks in dire trouble
TheClown [2d\]: i like 3 dan put 6 dan in trouble <:o)
alastor: w is not really 3D
]
;W[il]C[bojim [-\]: actually he is stronger than 3d
]
;B[mm]C[Malingo [3d\]: seems 6d put himself in trouble
TheClown [2d\]: hi jannik
GeRui [3d\]: hehe Malingo agreed 
Oumpopotte [5d\]: N8
Malingo [3d\]: hi ulrik
Fabiano [1k\]: n8 m8 ?
gbin [5k\]: m8 looks safe ;)
Oumpopotte [5d\]: then n8, M8, L8
TheClown [2d\]: m8 is a way to resign
gbin [5k\]: hehe ok
Oumpopotte [5d\]: and there is a " Mac Gyver " sequence now with W N6
TotoroShan [3k\]: lol
Ender [7k\]: macgyver?
TheClown [2d\]: i not like j8
Amaterasu [8k?\]: lol
mariosoft [1d\]: n8
TheClown [2d\]: should hav captured instead
GeRui [3d\]: w n6 would be really strange
TheClown [2d\]: let black have h7 if he want
TheClown [2d\]: a black stone on h7 wouldnt have meant much
Oumpopotte [5d\]: looks like B underestimates W : B plays too fast 
]
;W[ml]C[TheClown [2d\]: i think i n6
TheClown [2d\]: ok n8
Uberdude [1k\]: m8
TheClown [2d\]: it is also a move
Uberdude [1k\]: m8 n6 m6 
Fabiano [1k\]: no uberdude
TheClown [2d\]: still not 2 eyes
GeRui [3d\]: m8 l8
Fabiano [1k\]: m8 l8 like oumpopotte said
TheClown [2d\]: o4?
TheClown [2d\]: o4 is a move
uhiuh: o4 - o2 still dead?
Uberdude [1k\]: ah yes
Oumpopotte [5d\]: very very hard for B to live now
TheClown [2d\]: yes but what should black do
]
;B[np]C[GeRui [3d\]: this game is starting to be interesting :P
bojim [-\]: thomas is very good at reading!
bojim [-\]: I'm sure he will kill it :)
Oumpopotte [5d\]: O2
GeRui [3d\]: probably silt is not bad at reading too :P
TheClown [2d\]: it is quiet a setback for 6 dan if loose this group
]
;W[nq]C[TheClown [2d\]: he might loose the game
bojim [-\]: ondrej read very well but is in a bad situation
TheClown [2d\]: n5
GeRui [3d\]: so m3 and especially m5 were too easy going, it seems
TheClown [2d\]: and o2
bojim [-\]: it has become interesting...
TheClown [2d\]: how white do if o2
Fabiano [1k\]: b has not a move now
TheClown [2d\]: iblack o2?
TheClown [2d\]: what white then
Fabiano [1k\]: o2 p3 ?
Malingo [3d\]: o2 n3 
TheClown [2d\]: n3 then n5
uhiuh: i dont like w o3
GeRui [3d\]: w o2 maybe safer than o3
uhiuh: o2 is better i think
Oumpopotte [5d\]: if B 02 the O5 and over
TheClown [2d\]: p3 is harder
serieux [3k\]: allez thomas!
Oumpopotte [5d\]: if BO2 then O5 and over
Janan [3k?\]: thomas en finale ! :)
]
;B[mo]C[TheClown [2d\]: perhaps n3
TheClown [2d\]: on n5 direct
clip: O5 ?
TheClown [2d\]: must m8 i guess
serieux [3k\]: c'est le championnat jeune?
Uberdude [1k\]: um, if b saves L2 then how does w respond if he pushed through at j4?
xxc [4k\]: oui
Fabiano [1k\]: w cant m8 i think
Fabiano [1k\]: p4 
]
;W[nm]C[Fabiano [1k\]: enough
Oumpopotte [5d\]: perhaps O7 
pinpingho [-\]: B seems dead
Ender [7k\]: ne vendons pas la pau du 6D avant de l'avoir tué
TheClown [2d\]: still i see no 2 eyes
]
;B[nr]C[Oumpopotte [5d\]: P3
]
;W[oq]C[GeRui [3d\]: @ Uberdude: j4 h3
Oumpopotte [5d\]: no way for B
TheClown [2d\]: now it is dead
serieux [3k\]: black hase not two eyes
serieux [3k\]: has*
TheClown [2d\]: 3 dan killed 6 dan :)
Oumpopotte [5d\]: B will try P5 now
serieux [3k\]: thomas is very strong
Oumpopotte [5d\]: but it is just a ko threat : better to keep it in reserve :)
fye [1d\]: if p5, then N2?
Sanctus [17k?\]: lol
BUM [5d\]: no way
Oumpopotte [5d\]: yes
TheClown [2d\]: how much black lost here - somthing like a move?
Oumpopotte [5d\]: B should either resign either tenuki
BUM [5d\]: makemashita or magic on other parts of board
GeRui [3d\]: d8 or L16 and still a game ;P
Fabiano [1k\]: p5 wont work?
TheClown [2d\]: black can continue fight i think
TheClown [2d\]: fight on
BUM [5d\]: nothing works
Fabiano [1k\]: try p5
Uberdude [1k\]: p5 seems worth a try
GeRui [3d\]: b happy with all ko threats he has on the lower side ;P
BUM [5d\]: n2
TheClown [2d\]: because it was almost certain territry before - loss is not that big
pinpingho [-\]: B lose at least 30 point's here according to my view
BUM [5d\]: no
BUM [5d\]: it is huge improve
BUM [5d\]: just absoluet secure territory
TheClown [2d\]: what does SE say <:oP
fye [1d\]: and influence too
pinpingho [-\]: and actually become bigger
Fabiano [1k\]: ya
GeRui [3d\]: i'd say 15-20 pt loss
BUM [5d\]: i think that more
alastor: belle boucherie
]
;B[gn]C[GeRui [3d\]: at least b keeps sente
TheClown [2d\]: i am of same opinion - about the size of a move
BUM [5d\]: and will more
Ender [7k\]: jack vance?
alastor: yep
Ender [7k\]: ^^
TheClown [2d\]: but it is getting worse and worse
]
;W[fn]C[GeRui [3d\]: g6 another 5 pt loss
fye [1d\]: now SE is hilarious :))
Fabiano [1k\]: was b overconfident?
TheClown [2d\]: yeah that was costly
vent [-\]: ca va etre dur pour nor la
Shinichi56 [6k\]: qui a gané
TheClown [2d\]: greatly increase white power on the left side
GeRui [3d\]: yes, d8 now much harder to play for b
TheClown [2d\]: seems black is setting scene of resignation
GeRui [3d\]: uh, that would be poor kiai
Babin [3k\]: allez thomas !! vas-y mon petit !
TheClown [2d\]: but playing g6 means i will live with this group else i resign
bojim [-\]: allez thomas, je veux que tu le lattes :)
GeRui [3d\]: yes
vent [-\]: c est bien partie on dirait
alastor: dire qu'on en est au coup 62 
GeRui [3d\]: surpirising
]
;B[hq]C[TheClown [2d\]: black looking deep in maedas world now
Babin [3k\]: VIVE THOMAS VAS Y PETIT
vent [-\]: pas crier
Uberdude [1k\]: so was m3 too deep?
Babin [3k\]: men fouuu
Babin [3k\]: vive thomasss
Babin [3k\]: thomas est mon idole *_*
TheClown [2d\]: black aims at g
TheClown [2d\]: g8
Babin [3k\]: meme si on a que 2 ans de différence :)
serieux [3k\]: si tu continue babin, thomas va perdre
GeRui [3d\]: you are 10 years old?
vent [-\]: ?
charlx [7k\]: ^^
TheClown [2d\]: j4 g5 g4 j8
Babin [3k\]: non
Babin [3k\]: thomas à 13ans
Babin [3k\]: ah oui ! 
Babin [3k\]: j'ai 12ans ( enfin bientot )
GeRui [3d\]: i see
]
;W[ip]C[TheClown [2d\]: or just j8 now
charlx [7k\]: blanc a vraiment 13 ans?
Babin [3k\]: oui
Janan [3k?\]: 13 years old and at the gate of EYGML final, scary Thomas 
Babin [3k\]: thomas = rubik
charlx [7k\]: worf
GeRui [3d\]: this is quarter final
Janan [3k?\]: yes that's what I tryed to meant by saying "at the gate" :)
TheClown [2d\]: how to do if odrej j8
TheClown [2d\]: g8
]
;B[hl]C[TheClown [2d\]: that was not my move <:o(
Fabiano [1k\]: not about age, but how long he play go
charlx [7k\]: truz
]
;W[hm]
;B[gm]C[Janan [3k?\]: he started recently?
serieux [3k\]: j'ai l'impression que noir est deseperé
GeRui [3d\]: he should be
Fabiano [1k\]: but anyway, 12 years old beating a ex-insei is amazing
TheClown [2d\]: ondrej not lost yet
TheClown [2d\]: this here is a little troublesome
TheClown [2d\]: furikawari must be good for black
]
;W[gl]C[TheClown [2d\]: so must g8 and fight on
]
;B[go]
;W[gp]
;B[hk]C[TheClown [2d\]: and now this naxty f7 cut
Fabiano [1k\]: not a problem i do say
]
(;W[jl]C[TheClown [2d\]: but black have not so many liberties
BUM [5d\]: hehe
]
;B[fm]C[BUM [5d\]: what now?
BUM [5d\]: cut?
]
;W[em]
;B[el]C[BUM [5d\]: np for w
Fabiano [1k\]: cut wont work
GeRui [3d\]: w should handle this
TheClown [2d\]: i think black losese semeais
BUM [5d\]: b hasn to many liberties
]
;W[gj]C[BUM [5d\]: hmmm but not sure
TheClown [2d\]: m2 n2 kind of miai
BUM [5d\]: n2
BUM [5d\]: makes many liberties
TheClown [2d\]: m2 n3 kind of mia
]
;B[mq]C[TheClown [2d\]: now m2 is a good move
]
;W[no]
;B[lr]C[Fabiano [1k\]: heh?
BUM [5d\]: n1
FNFAL [2d?\]: BUM you are clever :P 
]
;W[ms]
;B[dl]C[BUM [5d\]: :(
TheClown [2d\]: who wins this
Repacse [3k\]: semeai ?
GeRui [3d\]: semeai looks good for w
]
;W[ej]C[FNFAL [2d?\]: at least ko for black
]
;B[fr]C[Malingo [3d\]: l1
Laza [3d\]: can w gain liberties at D7?
TheClown [2d\]: semeais r very difficult
BUM [5d\]: oh 3 steps ko?
helblindi [2d\]: then w wins, I think
]
(;W[hr]C[BUM [5d\]: ?
BUM [5d\]: L1
GeRui [3d\]: hmm
BUM [5d\]: easy way
BUM [5d\]: w 8 libs
Repacse [3k\]: w many liberties
BUM [5d\]: b 5
Laza [3d\]: hard...
TheClown [2d\]: i alway loose semeais
vent [-\]: lol
]
;B[gr]C[charlx [7k\]: semeai= close liberty fight?
Oumpopotte [5d\]: HL1 now
Oumpopotte [5d\]: L1
GeRui [3d\]: = race to capture
charlx [7k\]: ok
charlx [7k\]: thx
TheClown [2d\]: they r vey dangerous
Oumpopotte [5d\]: two steps ko for favorable for W
wolchengi [8d?\]: it's over ^^'
TheClown [2d\]: is k1 a good move?
Repacse [3k\]: so 3d beats 6d ?
GeRui [3d\]: w slowly stepping in trouble
Laza [3d\]: w wins the semeai...!
vent [-\]: what about time?
helblindi [2d\]: here h2 is a mistake
]
(;W[gq]C[GeRui [3d\]: yes w should, but must becareful
]
;B[hs]
;W[ir]C[Oumpopotte [5d\]: P4
GeRui [3d\]: e3?
Uberdude [1k\]: hmm, even if w win semeai, at lesat b gets d7 d6 in sente to reinforce left side
TheClown [2d\]: k1?
Uberdude [1k\]: w only has 1 big territory
TheClown [2d\]: no k1 is bad
TheClown [2d\]: e3
GeRui [3d\]: becomin seki slowly
TheClown [2d\]: p4?
bahbah [-\]: b dies
Repacse [3k\]: ah right, p4 is an extra lib
TheClown [2d\]: p4 makes things strange
GeRui [3d\]: p4 maybe 2 extra libs
charlx [7k\]: P2 also no?
]
;B[eq]
;W[or]C[TheClown [2d\]: e3 is conservative
]
;B[ns]
;W[os]C[baduk54ks [3d\]: Ko
]
;B[mr]C[Oumpopotte [5d\]: P4 only move
GeRui [3d\]: yes but w e2 also forces b to spend some moves
TheClown [2d\]: p4 must be most importan
mmcr13 [17k\]: go p4
TheClown [2d\]: it is very anoying if black p4
GeRui [3d\]: e3 prevent that and allows to take w's outside liberties
helblindi [2d\]: g3 loses liberties
aperson01 [?\]: what if instead of making an eye W just plays at K1 and fills liberties
]
(;W[mn]C[BUM [5d\]: 2 steps ko
TheClown [2d\]: p4 
bahbah [-\]: p4 instead of n6?
EndersGame [1d\]: ?
Oumpopotte [5d\]: Bad for W now
wolchengi [8d?\]: p4
Repacse [3k\]: weird that they both miss p4 
Oumpopotte [5d\]: pity that white lost time in doing an eye
BUM [5d\]: i think so
Oumpopotte [5d\]: lost liberties in doing an eye
TheClown [2d\]: yes
Oumpopotte [5d\]: semeai goo for B now
Oumpopotte [5d\]: good
TheClown [2d\]: should never make an eye more in semeai <:oP
Avnas [14k\]: at least got b thinking though, maybe make a mistake, but p4 will win the fight for b fefinately
aperson01 [?\]: isn't there time for B at P4
]
;B[dm]C[Fabiano [1k\]: i think simply ko
BUM [5d\]: ?
Avnas [14k\]: now p4 w
TheClown [2d\]: they dont like our p4
TheClown [2d\]: is it us who is hallucinating
Repacse [3k\]: mistake after mistake, lol
Pingu007 [2d\]: semeai always looks good for w isnt it?
Oumpopotte [5d\]: uncredible
GeRui [3d\]: b did not like w d7 it seems
baduk54ks [3d\]: ko now
baduk54ks [3d\]: white can win
]
;W[ks]C[Oumpopotte [5d\]: again P4 only move
charlx [7k\]: still black is huge oon the left
TheClown [2d\]: p4 
bahbah [-\]: ><
BUM [5d\]: ohoh
GeRui [3d\]: uh l1 mistake
Oumpopotte [5d\]: now B P4
wolchengi [8d?\]: oh my goodness
TheClown [2d\]: they hate p4 <:o(
Repacse [3k\]: p4 for the victory
Oumpopotte [5d\]: yes if P6 B wins
Oumpopotte [5d\]: P4
Pingu007 [2d\]: really??
Nezrif [5k\]: what's so speciall about P4
Oumpopotte [5d\]: and B wins even without ko
Fabiano [1k\]: the libs, nezrif
GeRui [3d\]: p4 increases b liberties
Nezrif [5k\]: so P4 is +1 liberty fpr black
TheClown [2d\]: after p4 it gets very anoying to take black liberties when he has an eye
Fabiano [1k\]: +2
Fabiano [1k\]: or +
helblindi [2d\]: if p4 then w j1?
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(;B[js]C[BUM [5d\]: OO
TheClown [2d\]: thye refuse again
Oumpopotte [5d\]: I dream ...:)
bahbah [-\]: isso eh inacreditavel lol
Fabiano [1k\]: hehe
Oumpopotte [5d\]: aagin W P4
TheClown [2d\]: cant 6dan see p4?
GeRui [3d\]: still ok for b, double ko
Repacse [3k\]: sure this are dan players playing ?
HnM [3k\]: i think you guys missed k2
Nezrif [5k\]: k2???
Janan [3k?\]: I do not get P4
HnM [3k\]: yes, k2 is kind of a big mountain
GeRui [3d\]: we certainly missed it
Oumpopotte [5d\]: even now bad for W
Nezrif [5k\]: k2 is already a stone on ^^
HnM [3k\]: there are plenty of stoned in k2
HnM [3k\]: stones*
GeRui [3d\]: you stoned too?
charlx [7k\]: who is stoned?
helblindi [2d\]: Hmm looks like p4 would have won unconditionally
charlx [7k\]: ^^
fresh: what about p4 now
Repacse [3k\]: pfff, never seen such a bad game
pinpingho [-\]: p4 would won unconditionally?
TheClown [2d\]: cant they be disqualified for not playing p4
Avnas [14k\]: hehe
EYGML2 [-\]: when you are in the game, everything is different it seems
aoeui [8k\]: could someone give a sequence following p4 q4 that explains why its winning?
fye [1d\]: don't tell me double ko is coming here - -"
Laza [3d\]: w lost, either w or b plays p4
TotoroShan [3k\]: B win anyway no ?
bahbah [-\]: j1 w then p4 leads to triple ko?
TotoroShan [3k\]: he has two kos
helblindi [2d\]: W would have won very easily if he hadn't started that business with h2. Lost two liberties
TotoroShan [3k\]: oh no
Oumpopotte [5d\]: P4 not enough for W , W is lost
TheClown [2d\]: u need fill out p5 and after take retake p4 and then first ko
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;W[op]C[Fabiano [1k\]: if b p4 w has to play q4 and p5 and  p4 again for ko, mister 8k
Nezrif [5k\]: ^^
TheClown [2d\]: wow <:o))))))
fresh: finally
Nezrif [5k\]: finally
BUM [5d\]: hehe
HnM [3k\]: m1 for 1½ double ko
helblindi [2d\]: Looks like ko now
TheClown [2d\]: 3 dan saw p4 before 6 dan hehe
bahbah [-\]: still double ko for b ? 
bahbah [-\]: w is lost 
TotoroShan [3k\]: w lost
BUM [5d\]: no
TotoroShan [3k\]: no ?
helblindi [2d\]: W has a chance
baduk54ks [3d\]: g1 first
Oumpopotte [5d\]: w is lost
HnM [3k\]: g1 for black
GeRui [3d\]: yes
BUM [5d\]: normal ko
fye [1d\]: oops so it seems?
Oumpopotte [5d\]: best w can do is a ko but B takes first puting in atari
fye [1d\]: w can just fill k1 later?
GeRui [3d\]: no threats anyway
BUM [5d\]: k1 is this ko
dudu [1k\]: excuse me, i have a question, when white played k8  could he have played e8 instead?
rayen [1k\]: Ondrej Silt is considered youth ? :S
BUM [5d\]: no
GeRui [3d\]: youth is everything that is not married or divorced
BUM [5d\]: b l7 m8 in sente
wolchengi [8d?\]: white wins
BUM [5d\]: and k9
nidza92 [1d\]: i think w takes first ko
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;B[ls]
;W[is]C[nidza92 [1d\]: and b is dead
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;B[gs]C[dudu [1k\]: thanks BUM
Oumpopotte [5d\]: M1 mistake again
EYGML1 [-\]: boymo go for w 15stone for 5 mn
fye [1d\]: w looks dead?
rayen [1k\]: b wins 
Oumpopotte [5d\]: M1 gives a chance to W
Fabiano [1k\]: double ko
Uberdude [1k\]: byo yomi already?!
Malingo [3d\]: 2 step for w?
wolchengi [8d?\]: m6
BUM [5d\]: hmmm
KuudeeKun [5k\]: what game is this?
BUM [5d\]: w lost IoI
wolchengi [8d?\]: black can't win
GeRui [3d\]: check the info
EYGML1 [-\]: byo-yomi^^
vent [-\]: lol
BUM [5d\]: really?
TheClown [2d\]: m6 can never be mistake now
EYGML4 [-\]: no i think white lost
Janan [3k?\]: I'm lost :-|
EYGML4 [-\]: are you sure wolchengi?
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;W[ln]C[GeRui [3d\]: b looks good
helblindi [2d\]: b will win for sure
Fabiano [1k\]: there is 2 kos
Avnas [14k\]: that's what I was thinking
Fabiano [1k\]: are*
Avnas [14k\]: b has more libs
TheClown [2d\]: white loses :(
helblindi [2d\]: pity
theolddan [2d\]: i also thin w looses
Avnas [14k\]: though still room for error from what we've seen earlier
helblindi [2d\]: w played well and should have won, but...
TheClown [2d\]: 2 step in black favor
BUM [5d\]: no
theolddan [2d\]: w needs not only to take the ko at n4 but to win it
GeRui [3d\]: maybe wol is right, he's 8d anyway :P
BUM [5d\]: no space for error
theolddan [2d\]: this makes 2 moves
XY0908 [-\]: wol?
XY0908 [-\]: wol's here?
EYGML1 [-\]: sorry it's a missclic
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wolchengi [8d?\]: i was looking at a variation on another screen
wolchengi [8d?\]: white made a big big mis
Avnas [14k\]: indeed
wolchengi [8d?\]: white was to win this 100%
wolchengi [8d?\]: XY!
theolddan [2d\]: but now 100% lost
Nezrif [5k\]: woah
TheClown [2d\]: this eye making was bad
helblindi [2d\]: what was white's last mistake wolchengi?
BUM [5d\]: at the begining of semeai?
Nezrif [5k\]: ko in blacks favor
KuudeeKun [5k\]: yep
BUM [5d\]: he should take liberties directly i think
BUM [5d\]: w has much more libs
Avnas [14k\]: d6 for teh win
Nezrif [5k\]: yes
BUM [5d\]: amI right twolchnegi?
Uberdude [1k\]: poor w
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tasuki [-\]: black also has a few local threats
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GeRui [3d\]: started with h2
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;B[js]C[Babin [3k\]: ^^
lofuchi [5k\]: this is the famous game?
Babin [3k\]: nonnnn
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helblindi [2d\]: how is s9 a threat?
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;B[iq]C[Babin [3k\]: WAW
silver2k4 [?\]: yep
wolchengi [8d?\]: l1
Nezrif [5k\]: GAMEOVER
TheClown [2d\]: this is not a gogame anymore <:o(
Babin [3k\]: yes
wolchengi [8d?\]: who is ondrej silt?
Repacse [3k\]: wow, se nuts
GeRui [3d\]: if w gets all the center and the right side...
vent [-\]: lol
BUM [5d\]: Czech number 
BUM [5d\]: 1
BUM [5d\]: :)
IcancerI [8k?\]: found you hawk
IcancerI [8k?\]: ^^
lipa: on kgs silt=agassi :)
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;B[rj]C[BUM [5d\]: but not in best form now
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;W[qj]C[rayen [1k\]: b just need to reduce center and he is all good
TheClown [2d\]: and then make a playing understone tesuji in black area - he still might win :)
BUM [5d\]: i played with him many times and he is really strong not like this
Hawk [5d\]: hehe
wolchengi [8d?\]: over ^^
peet [13k\]: watch w make comeback ;)
rayen [1k\]: s11 
amni [2k\]: is t. debarre on kgs?
nitram1 [1k\]: ladder?
Nezrif [5k\]: yes
rayen [1k\]: no ladder :P
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;B[qf]C[Babin [3k\]: rubik 
Lebertran [2k\]: this was the famous 61 points plan by white
BUM [5d\]: pffff
BUM [5d\]: what a corner 
absenta [2k\]: w lost
amni [2k\]: thanks babin
sheeryjay [2k?\]: all players sometimes play on KGS - based on the link given in EYGML1 info
KakashiSer [4k\]: wth going un here?
amni [2k\]: thomas says "never underestimate the b2 bomber" yet it appears he made that mistake this game
KakashiSer [4k\]: wow
lamharry [3k\]: -.-
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;W[be]
;B[bd]C[KakashiSer [4k\]: i think black won
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;W[cf]C[HnM [3k\]: orly
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;B[cd]C[peet [13k\]: yarly
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;W[gc]
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;W[hd]C[serieux [3k\]: mais je part 20 min, et thomas se fait boufer??? comment c'est possible?
HnM [3k\]: p15
Matrok [9k\]: j'ai fait la même chose serieux...
DiscoStu [?\]: Black's at the very least... 25 points ahead.
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;B[oe]C[wayward [2k\]: oh, how funny
amni [2k\]: if only Q10 would just up and die :/
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;W[pf]C[wayward [2k\]: I just came in and upon first look I thought it was a 25-k game
Uberdude [1k\]: q11, eye stealing tesuji! 
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;W[qe]C[Matrok [9k\]: (sauf que je suis parti une heure)
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(;B[qg]C[fiklo: wayward, you would be lucky if you had a game that came even close to the level these players show
Uberdude [1k\]: fiklo, i think he made a valid point
serieux [3k\]: mais pas grave, il aura mis des baton dans les roues d'un 6d
robbie10k [1d?\]: lol
wayward [2k\]: fiklo, I was only commenting on the shape of the large capture below.  I can read who they are
amni [2k\]: wayward's comment is appropriate
Uberdude [1k\]: such large territories are usually only seen in ddk games
fiklo: uberdude: he doesn't need your protection
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;W[of]
;B[nf]C[fiklo: amni: overly protective here, bunch of weak kyus
HnM [3k\]: you nerds, who cares
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;W[og]C[wayward [2k\]: rawr :)
biquette [-\]: kindergarten time ?
Fabiano [1k\]: nice HnM
dudu [1k\]: haha :)
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;B[ne]C[amni [2k\]: you attack a player randomly, that's uncool
wayward [2k\]: Hikaru no Monopoly?
HnM [3k\]: keep the comments on the game thanks
fiklo: amni
fiklo: that was no attack
jyem [-\]: calm down
helblindi [2d\]: W must try to create something, so this kind of overplay is reasonable :)
lofuchi [5k\]: kill everything!
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(;W[ph]
;B[nh]C[HnM [3k\]: o12
helblindi [2d\]: but Q12 should be O12 or O13?
igosensei [5d\]: q12 is strange move
HnM [3k\]: white totally lost now :)
helblindi [2d\]: q12 :( :(
igosensei [5d\]: it must be o13..
igosensei [5d\]: game over now
lofuchi [5k\]: don't understand q12
DiscoStu [?\]: Aye.
serieux [3k\]: thomas a perdu
Uberdude [1k\]: i tihnk he was hoping b would r12 out of mercy
EYGML1 [-\]: White resigns
Matrok [9k\]: ben oui...
peet [13k\]: probably hoping b would respond r12
EYGML1 [-\]: Black wins
HnM [3k\]: yay I win
serieux [3k\]: pas grave thomas, bien joué quand meme
Uberdude [1k\]: awesome game, thanks to the players and recorder
lofuchi [5k\]: q12 is suicidal?
fiklo: If only the spectators had a bit of respect for the players, it would be much better
Matrok [9k\]: when did Thomas lost the game ?
Matrok [9k\]: which move ?
Babin [3k\]: black win ??
HnM [3k\]: fiklo, truth hurts.
wayward [2k\]: Ondrej is an awesome fighter
Matrok [9k\]: I think it is O4 (98)
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