(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[1/2 finals Strasbourg Cup HWANG In-Seong - LI Yue]PW[HWANG In-Seong]PB[LI Yue]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2009-05-17]EV[Strasbourg CUp]RO[semi finals]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
(;W[dd])
(;W[dc]
;B[fq]
;W[hq]
;B[qo]
;W[eq]C[oonicks [?\]: ze vrench haf all dropped out alraydi?
]
;B[fp]
;W[dn]
;B[jq]
;W[ho]
;B[de]
;W[dh]C[Impaired [1d\]: last game for hwang was so peaceful
Impaired [1d\]: this game promise to be opposite
]
;B[fe]
;W[fc]
;B[he]
;W[hc]
;B[fn]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[oq]C[oonicks [?\]: n agrees:)
oonicks [?\]: b<
]
;B[op]
;W[nq]
;B[nr]
;W[mq]C[Impaired [1d\]: liyue is fighting style . 
]
;B[mr]
;W[lq]
;B[qq]
;W[jp]
;B[iq]
;W[hp]
;B[kq]C[hamlet [5k\]: what are the time settings for this game?
rozza [19k\]: illim
Strascup1 [-\]: 1h , byo yomi 5min/15stones
hamlet [5k\]: thx
]
;W[kp]
;B[lr]
;W[er]C[goshko [11k\]: is m4 good for b?
Impaired [1d\]: not right now.
Ephemere [2d\]: m 4 is small now
oonicks [?\]: i think he may play o17 
Ephemere [2d\]: f4 stones are the key point
Impaired [1d\]: e2 allow w other way to connect h3
]
;B[fr]
;W[ip]C[Impaired [1d\]: no connection with h2
]
;B[gm]C[Impaired [1d\]: h2 j2 k2 g2 j1 f1 
Ephemere [2d\]: yes but it allow b to cut
Ephemere [2d\]: so both groups are weak
Ephemere [2d\]: it helps b
Impaired [1d\]: just explaining what j4 does
Ephemere [2d\]: the j4 group seems very useless 
]
;W[il]C[Ephemere [2d\]: yes you are totaly right!
Ephemere [2d\]: (and it also prevent a black push/ cut
Impaired [1d\]: b also eyes pincer on d12
]
;B[gj]
;W[gh]C[yolka [4k\]: is li yue, "liyue" ?
Strascup1 [-\]: yes
Impaired [1d\]: yes from kgs
Impaired [1d\]: her brother also watch
]
;B[hk]C[yolka [4k\]: i would rather say from beijing :)
oonicks [?\]: all these liyue's on kgs it gets confusing
Strascup1 [-\]: she is the real :)
]
;W[ik]
;B[ij]
;W[jj]
;B[ii]
;W[gf]
;B[ge]
;W[ef]
;B[ee]
;W[ig]C[oonicks [?\]: i hope w gets punished for this
Impaired [1d\]: did w dosomething rong?
]
;B[ji]
;W[kj]
;B[cj]C[oonicks [?\]: bit arrogant
Impaired [1d\]: i think w just adapts to b violent playing.
Impaired [1d\]: i think its exciting
]
;W[ej]C[oonicks [?\]: no j13 is matter of choice
oonicks [?\]: and e14
]
;B[dm]C[Ephemere [2d\]: li yue is a violent player, always a big fight in her game
tobe30k [1k\]: but she is a girl, she is allowed to do this :D
oonicks [?\]: w is the b that was ahead 10 pts a whole match yesterday m i right?
Strascup1 [-\]: right
Impaired [1d\]: yes against debarre
oonicks [?\]: so she shouldnt allow him to settle
fujichan [1k\]: Bonjour
Impaired [1d\]: dont understand what u mean. this game completely different 
]
;W[cm]C[Impaired [1d\]: that game was a lullaby
oonicks [?\]: i mean that if w gets to solidify his every position he will play similar, leaving few open
]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]
;B[dk]C[Impaired [1d\]: i dont think its that simple
]
;W[jf]C[Kyuss [1k\]: wow, big game
dawid963 [12k\]: interesting
Kyuss [1k\]: I hope Hwang wins
Impaired [1d\]: hwang is favorite to win the whole tornament. but strong opposition
nasnad [1d\]: looks hard for black to get a good result here?
oonicks [?\]: i think b played the left well so far w developed little potential, its an exciting game 
]
;B[je]
;W[ke]
;B[ie]C[Impaired [1d\]: i prefer b position now
oonicks [?\]: well that top is scary
Impaired [1d\]: just my feeling
hamlet [5k\]: black group is like one big heavy chunk
]
;W[fj]C[tobe30k [1k\]: look strong somehow
oonicks [?\]: i wud b glad to play c12 here
]
;B[cn]C[Thanshin [5k\]: I'd b d13
Impaired [1d\]: i d most want as b to move out between l11 gap more
]
;W[co]
;B[bn]C[Impaired [1d\]: but if there is better than push out directly
fokschaap [2d\]: b shouldn't run with l11 , he'd weaken his other group
fokschaap [2d\]: she*
ben0 [5d\]: e6 ?
Impaired [1d\]: probably need to strong h15 first\\
]
;W[en]C[nasnad [1d\]: nice one
]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[bl]
;W[em]
;B[ki]
;W[lj]
;B[li]
;W[mi]C[oonicks [?\]: e6 was also a doubtfull move w might have plaued b8 himself
Impaired [1d\]: no e6 was stronger
Impaired [1d\]: resist against b desire
Impaired [1d\]: now b at limit of tactical connectivity
oonicks [?\]: e6 was definitely more creative etc.
oonicks [?\]: more options
]
;B[lg]C[Impaired [1d\]: its so hard for me to ever choose a move like this
Impaired [1d\]: whats b want to cut n10?
pruls [8k\]: or L14
pruls [8k\]: or connect to corner
]
;W[mh]C[oonicks [?\]: cannot yet cut n10  at m13
Impaired [1d\]: peeping at it is mean decided never to cut l14
pruls [8k\]: i think
Impaired [1d\]: umunless w didnt protect there of course
nasnad [1d\]: high stakes coming up?
reitah [6k\]: c'est en direct ?
Impaired [1d\]: cut l14 then
Strascup1 [-\]: reitah oui
reitah [6k\]: merci
pruls [8k\]: ya un temps ou qqch?
Strascup1 [-\]: (et finale a 14h -10h gmt-)
Strascup1 [-\]: 1h , byo yomi 5min/15pierres
reitah [6k\]: c'est des dans ffg non ?
Strascup1 [-\]: classement europeen
ben0 [5d\]: non des dans kgs
ben0 [5d\]: ils sont 1k et 5k egf
lawme [1k\]: L14 cut
tobe30k [1k\]: cut is not a good idea
Impaired [1d\]: why not
oonicks [?\]: is f13 possible?
tobe30k [1k\]: w can cut back
Impaired [1d\]: because w go l13
Impaired [1d\]: l14 l13 m14 m12 
Impaired [1d\]: need to read hard tho.. it might work somehow
pruls [8k\]: ok but semeai is good for b
nasnad [1d\]: are you sure?
yolka [4k\]: semiai ?
nasnad [1d\]: very hard to tell
pruls [8k\]: no, but i bet on it ^^
yolka [4k\]: w is connected if f8
Strascup1 [-\]: pour le classement  http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Find_Player.php
Impaired [1d\]: f8 does not conect
Impaired [1d\]: h2 does not connect
tobe30k [1k\]: maybe b reads now, what would happen if she cuts
yolka [4k\]: if does connect either to corner or j8
Impaired [1d\]: but w has some aji to think about
Mikki [?\]: how to respond to K13?
lawme [1k\]: if not cut b must lose
nasnad [1d\]: cut is to hrlp k15 
Impaired [1d\]: there is possibility of ko involving h13
nasnad [1d\]: i would not cut, too dangerous
igomemo [2d\]: b thinking??
korea5dan [7d\]: what is this gae ?
korea5dan [7d\]: game
Airi [2d\]: strascup
PtiNegi [-\]: strasbourg cup
nasnad [1d\]: some european tournament i believe
PtiNegi [-\]: semi final
LevelNull [2d\]: f8 connects or cu black at g8
Strascup1 [-\]: a litle cup at Strasbourg  France  (for european -no pro-)
reitah [6k\]: c'est pas des dans kgs alors
Impaired [1d\]: i thot they were talking about b going f8
pruls [8k\]: french city cup
korea5dan [7d\]: i see
igomemo [2d\]: is there live coverage?
Strascup1 [-\]: more infos at http://www.gostrasbourg.fr/?lang=en
Strascup1 [-\]: yes
LevelNull [2d\]: b f8 is gote
igomemo [2d\]: link?
Mikki [?\]: there
igomemo [2d\]: video i mean
LevelNull [2d\]: and the cut at l14 is gote
Strascup1 [-\]: ah no video
Impaired [1d\]: how about h13
LevelNull [2d\]: =>black can not cut at l14
]
;B[hg]C[Impaired [1d\]: this realy doesnt look so great for w cause n10 would be a big cut
igomemo [2d\]: ok, off topic quiz: anybody know the middle age name of Strasbourg?
yolka [4k\]: how many time left for both of them ?
ToStrong4u [?\]: w is too strong for b
Impaired [1d\]: i prefer b here still
oonicks [?\]: i tried to read that one out when b was thinking and after that i searched on
sfrex [2k\]: b is 2 strong 4 u
Strascup1 [-\]: both are too strong for you :p
]
;W[hh]C[Impaired [1d\]: i agree that w is insanely strong tho
ToStrong4u [?\]: b in big trouble
ToStrong4u [?\]: with 2 weak groups
sfrex [2k\]: logically if b is 2 strong 4him of course w is 2 strong 4 him
]
;B[ih]
;W[kg]
;B[if]
;W[jg]
;B[lh]
;W[hf]
;B[kd]
;W[le]
;B[mg]C[Impaired [1d\]: i dont think h15 is easy to kill 
nasnad [1d\]: well, if it was easy  the game would be ove
ToStrong4u [?\]: it is
ToStrong4u [?\]: very easy
sonia [18k\]: zut j'ai louper le debut :( 
reitah [6k\]: hihihi
pruls [8k\]: tu peux cloner la partie pour revisionner
Strascup1 [-\]: sonia fait une copie de la partie et revient en arriere
]
;W[cd]
;B[ff]
;W[gg]C[yolka [4k\]: does j1 connect black ?
ben0 [5d\]: tu peux aussi faire option " analyser"
yolka [4k\]: there is only one weak group then
Impaired [1d\]: u dont want to do j1
]
;B[ic]C[Impaired [1d\]: w eat j3 in sente
nasnad [1d\]: j1,g1 also
ToStrong4u [?\]: j1 very bad
nasnad [1d\]: cant force a connection
Impaired [1d\]: moves like j1 are worse than resign 
]
;W[ib]C[sonia [18k\]: c'est normal de lui avoir permis de reprendre son coup au tout debut ? 
ToStrong4u [?\]: no, resign is the worst move
Strascup1 [-\]: sonia erreur de click du scribe ...  moi :)
igomemo [2d\]: is Liyue calm right now? give us some gossip strascup1
sonia [18k\]: je croyais que c'etait pas possible surtout en competition 
sonia [18k\]: ha 
]
;B[hb]C[sonia [18k\]: lol
tobe30k [1k\]: but b can play e1 1st to see how w reacts, right?
Strascup1 [-\]: ce n'est efectivement pas permis
ToStrong4u [?\]: b needs to make a plan
Strascup1 [-\]: igomemo no gossip  both are reading , concentrate
]
;W[jc]C[yolka [4k\]: i thought black s plan was to win :)
tobe30k [1k\]: it is the goal, not the plan
pruls [8k\]: so the plan is to reach the goal?
oonicks [?\]: w rili wants to win this tourney i think, and he is really good
igomemo [2d\]: what is the price?
Impaired [1d\]: 400 euro
igomemo [2d\]: not bad :)
ToStrong4u [?\]: i think w weakness is fighting skills
]
;B[gc]
;W[id]
;B[fb]C[Impaired [1d\]: im not gona consider w as having weakness
igomemo [2d\]: Go Liyue! and make a good holiday with this money
Strascup1 [-\]: http://www.gostrasbourg.fr/info_joueurs/?lang=en
pruls [8k\]: is j 18 weaker than d17?
sfrex [2k\]: b Li yue is the famous female player?
Jinoc [3d\]: yeah
Jinoc [3d\]: gonna get beaten though
sfrex [2k\]: she wont lose
]
;W[eb]
;B[fd]
;W[ec]C[Impaired [1d\]: w declined a ko
]
;B[jd]
;W[ha]C[Impaired [1d\]: this ko is better.. ic
ToStrong4u [?\]: how can w let this happen
ToStrong4u [?\]: he really should practice fighting
Impaired [1d\]: nah. if b go g19 this way eat ko first is w
oonicks [?\]: well u were right that he connects instead of fighting, or mayb i just dont get what is happening
Impaired [1d\]: if w goed at g16 then b eat ko first
]
;B[ga]
;W[gb]C[yolka [4k\]: goed ?
oonicks [?\]: ko-ed
tobe30k [1k\]: went :)
yolka [4k\]: ha
Impaired [1d\]: dun wana use ugly words
pruls [8k\]: m14?
igomemo [2d\]: threats where?
Impaired [1d\]: i suppose f13 is a thret
]
;B[kc]C[oonicks [?\]: nice one for me
Impaired [1d\]: w is not conected yet. with g12
Impaired [1d\]: lotsa ponnukis is not ponnukis when they are blanketed
Strascup1 [-\]: 6min left for Li Yue , 20min left for Hwang Li-Seong
]
;W[gd]
;B[mc]C[Impaired [1d\]: 15/5 canadian byoumi
Strascup1 [-\]: yes
Impaired [1d\]: is f8 really a sente conection?
]
;W[ne]C[Impaired [1d\]: i supose w gona go f8 now tho whatever hapens
Impaired [1d\]: oh
Wizze [3k?\]: the obvious move ;>
pruls [8k\]: keep cutting b's groups
Impaired [1d\]: this is a great fighting game
]
;B[mj]C[igomemo [2d\]: oh yeah
]
;W[oi]
;B[kl]
;W[lk]
;B[in]
;W[jn]
;B[im]
;W[jm]
;B[jl]C[Impaired [1d\]: b eats j8
Impaired [1d\]: or get sliced in half
telchar [1d\]: oh la la ils sont fous ! le go est un jeu de partage pacifique !
]
;W[jk]C[NewSpice [5d?\]: Dans tes rêves, telchar ;)
telchar [1d\]: hé hé
Strascup1 [-\]: byo yomi for Li Yue
ibd [13k\]: l6?
]
;B[nj]C[Impaired [1d\]: i think w is falling apart
nasnad [1d\]: not that easy
igomemo [2d\]: yes
igomemo [2d\]: g5 weakness
nasnad [1d\]: white has somethins with h8, g5 if needed
oonicks [?\]: g5 to small now?
igomemo [2d\]: yes
Emperor40k [2d?\]: P10 ?
igomemo [2d\]: me thinks Lie yue setting a beautiful trap
]
;W[ml]C[pruls [8k\]: we were thinking her thought were to find a way for l17 to escape but it was to trap n9
Impaired [1d\]: w needs to stay connected g12 to e7
]
;B[md]C[Impaired [1d\]: so it really makes hard for w to conect thru f5
oonicks [?\]: m5 now? i mean its a bit rude i spose?
WapiFlapi [6k\]: Seis suporting white :D
Impaired [1d\]: u cant do both
WapiFlapi [6k\]: *SE
]
;W[me]
;B[ng]
;W[oh]
;B[og]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[pe]C[igomemo [2d\]: game will end with 0.5 points?
]
;B[qd]C[Emperor40k [2d?\]: no
igomemo [2d\]: ok
]
;W[oj]C[nasnad [1d\]: white is doing fine
igomemo [2d\]: i would play h2 now
]
;B[pg]
;W[qe]
;B[qi]C[igomemo [2d\]: ah no, R15 still doesnt have eye, then attack
]
;W[pk]
;B[fk]
;W[ek]
;B[el]C[Impaired [1d\]: w gona live in there?
pruls [8k\]: yes! blood! blood! blood!
igomemo [2d\]: w forgot to bring garlic
]
;W[fl]
;B[gk]
;W[fm]
;B[dj]C[igomemo [2d\]: congrats to LiYue
Impaired [1d\]: well.. its a semeai
Impaired [1d\]: so. not over yet
igomemo [2d\]: where?
igomemo [2d\]: no semeai
Impaired [1d\]: g9 dont have eeys
Marek [4d\]: f12  looks so nice for b.
lawme [1k\]: w dare not fight
Impaired [1d\]: yes well w needs to prevent that
Impaired [1d\]: with this move
]
;W[fi]
;B[gn]
;W[ir]C[Emperor40k [2d?\]: o_O
Impaired [1d\]: j2 not needed
]
;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[fg]C[Impaired [1d\]: w should have tried c14 or something
igomemo [2d\]: b has full control
lawme [1k\]: b will win
Impaired [1d\]: yes. wonderful playing
Impaired [1d\]: i thought w would win the tornament before the game
jwc [3d?\]: b10
Marek [4d\]: i think w can live.. but it's bad for him to live like that
lawme [1k\]: w big group no eye
]
;W[di]C[nasnad [1d\]: big group never die
pel [3k\]: i wish that proverb was true for kyu players ;)
igomemo [2d\]: yeah, beatles, pink floyd never dies
Impaired [1d\]: f12 and think later?
Impaired [1d\]: whats the tiem controls looking like?
]
;B[rk]C[chappy [5k\]: pourquoi vous parlez en anglais ?
Ephemere [2d\]: f 12 no use, no eye anyway here
pruls [8k\]: pour que tt le monde  comprenne
]
;W[qg]C[scurge [5d\]: who is li yue?
chappy [5k\]: ben non
sfrex [2k\]: what proverb?  never? only hardly die not never
]
;B[ph]C[Strascup1 [-\]: LiYue in byo yomi, 4min left for Hwang
]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]C[Ephemere [2d\]: a stong chinese player living in barcelona
]
;W[rf]C[scurge [5d\]: thx
Impaired [1d\]: f12 for w makes eye
igomemo [2d\]: married?
Impaired [1d\]: because damezumari on c10
sfrex [2k\]: Liyue is always  the best 2 me
ibd [13k\]: 4 me*
nd4ever [3k\]: r8?
tokko [-\]: liyue lost against pierre paga at paris tournement :)
pruls [8k\]: m5
Uffie [5d\]: tokko n'est pas obligé de faire de la pub a pierre :)
]
;B[es]
;W[ds]
;B[fs]
;W[cr]
;B[lm]C[Impaired [1d\]: b has so many happy targetings
tokko [-\]: si il est trop fort^^
PtiNegi [-\]: lol
nasnad [1d\]: you think black will win?
Impaired [1d\]: yes b will win
chappy [5k\]: si noir joue s12 blanc n'a tjr pas 2 yeux si ?
Impaired [1d\]: i thot w would win tho before the game
Strascup1 [-\]: byo yomi for Hwang 
sfrex [2k\]: because u dont know Liyue
Impaired [1d\]: no i have seen many games liyue used to play on kgs
ToStrong4u [?\]: w easy win
Impaired [1d\]: i enjoy her exciting style 
chappy [5k\]:  B f12 s12
Impaired [1d\]: is why i hope she beated zhang yanqi yesterday while watching placid debarre-inseong game
BGF [?\]: f12 fait un oeuil
nd4ever [3k\]: n6?
Impaired [1d\]: dai beated motoki
TheZohan [5k\]: f12 e12 e13 d13 faux oeil
totorooo: m6?
chappy [5k\]: si noir joue f12 faux oeil après non ?
pandaah [2k\]: f12 fai pas d'oeil
]
;W[nn]C[BGF [?\]: si
TheZohan [5k\]: même si blanc joue f12, l'oeil est faux
pandaah [2k\]: f12 e12
]
;B[mo]C[Impaired [1d\]: pandaah read further
nd4ever [3k\]: w win now
BGF [?\]: f12,e12,d13c14,e13
nd4ever [3k\]: sorry
nd4ever [3k\]: b
pandaah [2k\]: f12 e12 d13 e13 e11
]
;W[ln]C[pandaah [2k\]: e13 menace de coupe
BGF [?\]: no e11 c15
]
;B[mm]
;W[mn]
;B[nm]
;W[om]C[Fredrik [-\]: ?
Impaired [1d\]: f12 e12 e13 d13 c11 b10 c13 
LevelNull [2d\]: f12 => not g11 => g11 cut sente
]
;B[ol]
;W[km]C[pruls [8k\]: m4
pruls [8k\]: ?
aStefan [10k\]: m4 does nothing
LevelNull [2d\]: m4 l3
totorooo: m4 l2
LevelNull [2d\]: 2
LevelNull [2d\]: :-)
pruls [8k\]: ha yes
Strascup1 [-\]: time out forLi Yue
RenjuGamer [3k\]: :(
nasnad [1d\]: white looks in control still
reitah [6k\]: oh !
nd4ever [3k\]: p6 k5 m4 
igomemo [2d\]: pity
pandaah [2k\]: time out!?
LevelNull [2d\]: but k2 connect with f2 sente
wintogo [7d\]: black can win
Strascup1 [-\]: yes time out :(
Layne [3k?\]: She looses ?!
wintogo [7d\]: black can cature all
Impaired [1d\]: oh no.. time loss
Insights [2d\]: so wins
falfan1 [5k\]: let me understand this b won by time?
totorooo: would be nice
Insights [2d\]: w winw
RenjuGamer [3k\]: W won by time
Strascup1 [-\]: final in 1h10 , at 12hgmt , 14h france
falfan1 [5k\]: oh!
Strascup1 [-\]: HWANG won by time
Impaired [1d\]: canadian is not my favorite time controls
igomemo [2d\]: damn
Strascup1 [-\]: they are reading the sequencies  atm
Impaired [1d\]: this position i think b better
eurogotv [-\]: hi*
just10k [2k\]: o8?
just10k [2k\]: and white dies
nasnad [1d\]: why?
nd4ever [3k\]: q7 p6 q8 o8 p9 o9 m8 h8 
Impaired [1d\]: w dont die
reitah [6k\]: o8
just10k [2k\]: well
Impaired [1d\]: but w connect on smalls while b gets side
just10k [2k\]: b escapes
ToStrong4u [?\]: yes
nd4ever [3k\]: arh
ToStrong4u [?\]: i said w win
reitah [6k\]: si noir o8, blanc m8 ?
nd4ever [3k\]: i got wrong in my sequence
just10k [2k\]: i say tostrong4u wins
Impaired [1d\]: o8 m8 q8 o9 r9 
ToStrong4u [?\]: i always win
nd4ever [3k\]: b should l6 before p8?
Strascup1 [-\]: thanks for watching , final HWANG In Seong - Dai Junfu in 1h
Impaired [1d\]: ok so final game is dai vs hwang
oonicks [?\]: well time did it, so i t's not that relevant, but when k2 unplayed w is 5 points ahead
oonicks [?\]: so like 12 when he gets l2
Impaired [1d\]: b is ahead
oonicks [?\]: mayb more because i didnt count all the b stones as prisoners
oonicks [?\]: o7
Impaired [1d\]: l2 doesnt matter at all
Impaired [1d\]: its sente for b. so b will get to play l2
oonicks [?\]: if b plays k2 its sente
oonicks [?\]: jf w gets it its points
Impaired [1d\]: so its b right to play
Impaired [1d\]: first o8 m8 q8 o9 r9 
oonicks [?\]: so w gets r7
Impaired [1d\]: r7 doesnt exist
Impaired [1d\]: look at the situation on m8
oonicks [?\]: well the other 2 things
Impaired [1d\]: w needs to connect
oonicks [?\]: around r7
oonicks [?\]: and w c15
Impaired [1d\]: nothing r7.. there is the sequence i gave
Impaired [1d\]: o8 m8 q8 o9 r9 r7 r8 q6 l2 m5 r6 
Impaired [1d\]:  w will behind
Impaired [1d\]: moves in upper left are big
oonicks [?\]: o8 q8
oonicks [?\]: doesnt matter i didnt count them as prisoners
oonicks [?\]: :)
oonicks [?\]: nice game
oonicks [?\]: i was hoping all the time b 'd break through
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