(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]
SZ[19]RU[AGA]KM[5.50]TM[]
PB[ChampFr]PW[ChampFr]DT[2002-08-23]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[sould3mon [28k?\]: this the 3 round ?
ChampFr [-\]: White is Noguchi Motoki, 5d Fr
ChampFr [-\]: Black is Boulanger Hugo, 2d fr
ChampFr [-\]: Round 3
sould3mon [28k?\]: so confussing with all the other open tp 
Apple [-\]: yes
]
;B[po]CR[po]C[Apple [-\]: don't forget the other game, the french champion is playing in it
]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[ChampFr [-\]: yes, but they are not in the tournament room yet :-)
ChampFr [-\]: well, they're coming
]
;W[of]CR[of]C[Fred [1k\]: wot move next think you?
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[id]CR[id]C[Fred [1k\]: what players are these?
Fred [1k\]: why no handicaps?
ChampFr [-\]: no handicap in the french championship
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Fred [1k\]: a reverse komi?
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[ChampFr [-\]: no
Fred [1k\]: then how can B hope to win?
ChampFr [-\]: luck ?
Glorrandir [1d\]: time?
]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[Fred [1k\]: luck in Go?
Odisseus [5k\]: at that level ...
Fred [1k\]: seems like a one-sided tournament to me
Odisseus [5k\]: the italian one has the same rule of no handicap at high level
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[ChampFr [-\]: this is just 1 game among 16
XiaoLin [2k\]: if one is not strong enough to win in even game, how could he be a champion???
ChampFr [-\]: they play together because they both have 2 victory
Fred [1k\]: i agree Xiao
]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[bass [2k\]: strange direction with m12?
XiaoLin [2k\]: In Budapest there was a tournament (I think it is Korean Abassador Cup) in which there were 2 groups, 2d and up and up to 1d
XiaoLin [2k\]: winner of the ?-1d group was 4k because there was handicap if rank difference is greater than 2
]
;W[ig]CR[ig]C[bass [2k\]: w punishes for m12
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[oj]CR[oj]C[Glorrandir [1d\]: I don't like Q12
ChampFr [-\]: noguchi went outside (on his own time)
ChampFr [-\]: they resume the game now
]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[jh]CR[jh]C[Fred [1k\]: noguchi is a french name?
]
;W[ih]CR[ih]C[ChampFr [-\]: i think he is japanese
ChampFr [-\]: boulanger hugo is french
XiaoLin [2k\]: sure is japanese
Fred [1k\]: japanese play in french championship?
ChampFr [-\]: they can win this tournament, but cannot play in the final
XiaoLin [2k\]: has  french citizenship probably
ChampFr [-\]: the final is only for the 2 best french players
ChampFr [-\]:  i don't know
XiaoLin [2k\]: like many chinee and japanese represent other countries in WAGC
]
;B[jj]CR[jj]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: e.g. USA, Canada, Australia, NZ
]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[lj]CR[lj]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[hk]CR[hk]C[Fred [1k\]: when is next KGS tournament?
ChampFr [-\]: don't know
]
;B[jl]CR[jl]C[Fred [1k\]: hmmmm
]
;W[nm]CR[nm]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: there is IGS torunament, 1000$ the first prize :)
]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[ChampFr [-\]: a phone rings :-(
XiaoLin [2k\]: I wonder how can they know if someone is not helped by his pro-friend :))))
]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[ll]CR[ll]C[awelux [15k?\]: good question. But maybe that's not the point. It's more that they are trying to make igs interesting.
malcolm [2d?\]: they aren't playing via IGS, this is just a live transmission of the game
Fred [1k\]: probly dont recieve the $1000 from igs anyway
malcolm [2d?\]: KGS I mean
XiaoLin [2k\]: we know that, but I am talking about the IGS tournament, it is only for amateurs, but most of 7-9d on IGS are pros
XiaoLin [2k\]: sure don't
malcolm [2d?\]: OK sorry
XiaoLin [2k\]: IGS doesn't givethose 1000$ too, sponsor gives them
XiaoLin [2k\]: KGS is much more pleasant, there are not so much vulgar people who insult others :)
ChampFr [-\]: yet
XiaoLin [2k\]: thy find IGS better, since they can "shout" so everyone can "hear" :)
]
;B[kl]CR[kl]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: now B is hard to decide where to play....
]
;W[lk]CR[lk]C[ChampFr [-\]: remaining time : B 43', W 1h
XiaoLin [2k\]: ... I was thinking about here, but...
ChampFr [-\]: + b-y of course
XiaoLin [2k\]: what if W decided to tenuki here?
ChampFr [-\]: b-y = 15 stones in 5'
]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Fred [1k\]: tenuki?
]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: play elsewhere
XiaoLin [2k\]: but he got it anyway
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[dm]CR[dm]C[ChampFr [-\]: noguchi goes outside
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: "score estimate" has an interesting "isea" about this position :)))
]
;W[dk]CR[dk]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: before this B's move
]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: D13?
]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bd]CR[bd]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: now score estimate is great, W+81.5 :))))))
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[bk]CR[bk]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: Can B use M16 and C17 to invade W's top?
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[ChampFr [-\]: remaining time : B 30'   -   W 53'
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[malcolm [2d?\]: white's top looks like solid territory to me
malcolm [2d?\]: if black tries too hard to enter the left, white captures stones on the right
awelux [15k?\]: that's because score est. assumes D4 is dead.
XiaoLin [2k\]: if W gets to the bottom first, may win the game easily
XiaoLin [2k\]: yes
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[malcolm [2d?\]: game looks good for white to me
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[hq]CR[hq]C[ChampFr [-\]: remaining time: B 15'  -  W 52'
]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[ir]CR[ir]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[kn]CR[kn]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[ao]CR[ao]
;B[an]CR[an]
;W[am]CR[am]C[ChampFr [-\]: remaining time: B 5'  -  W 45'
]
;B[al]CR[al]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[fr]CR[fr]C[ChampFr [-\]: B resigns
ChampFr [-\]: thank you all for watching this game
tsja [19k\]: Thanks for showing it to us.
ChampFr [-\]: you can come back tomorrow at about 10 a.m. (utc + 2)
])
