(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]
SZ[19]RU[AGA]KM[5.50]TM[]
PB[ChampFr2]PW[ChampFr2]DT[2002-08-23]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: hi all, this game is Pierre Colmez 5d, 2001 French champion (white) against Jean-François Séailles 6d, 2000 French champion (black)
ChampFr2 [-\]: they both lost their first game and won the second one
Apple [-\]: against who?
ChampFr2 [-\]: Pierre lost to David Wu and Jeff to Jean Michel
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: Pierre has the white stones for the 3d round in a row :(
ChampFr2 [-\]: so he can't play his famous fuseki
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Apple [-\]: tiens c'est phéno
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Apple [-\]: haha
Apple [-\]: c'est le fuseki d'astrid :)
ChampFr2 [-\]: jerokfor's fuseki :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: each person has private fuseki?
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[Apple [-\]: no they are the only two in france :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: saw this fuseki also in prior round
PetaWilson [6k?\]: r5 next
Siberiak [-\]: q2?
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[domi [1k?\]: my fuseki is a komoku in front a low shimari, what 's yours ?
Fred [1k\]: idont know
PetaWilson [6k?\]: I am one of the two, sorry about that :-(
]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[no]CR[no]C[domi [1k?\]: usually here strongs players prefer to approch the komoku in R6
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Apple [-\]: yes pierre is very weak indeed
Apple [-\]: :))
pandu [14k\]: pierre c blanc ?
Apple [-\]: yes
pandu [14k\]: et noir c ki ?
domi [1k?\]: did I say that la pomme ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: well i prefer the b position here
ChampFr2 [-\]: see my info pandu
Apple [-\]: I'm just kidding domi :)
]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[np]CR[np]C[Fred [1k\]: your info is in foreign 
Apple [-\]: white is ok too
Shirka [9k\]: est-ce que vous etes à Strasbourg pour suivre le match ?
Aktuna [10k\]: combien de temps pour les joueurs et pour byoyomi
tsja [19k\]: Fred, see the info of ChamFr, it's in English.
domi [1k?\]: White shape is so beurk
ChampFr2 [-\]: the players are in English
Apple [-\]: in the info it is explain where is the info in english
PetaWilson [6k?\]: little thickness maybe
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Apple [-\]: and for us english is foreign :)
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Apple [-\]: salut io
PetaWilson [6k?\]: depends what your nalive language is i suppose
Aktuna [10k\]: how much time for players
Apple [-\]: 1h15
Aktuna [10k\]: byo?
Apple [-\]: +5 min / 15 moves
Aktuna [10k\]: merci /thx
Apple [-\]: de rien / welcome
Aktuna [10k\]: :)
Aktuna [10k\]: :) / :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: r13 sente on the right?
domi [1k?\]: Pierre Colmez is very strong at reading
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[ce]CR[ce]C[domi [1k?\]: and Peter Stickbutz wrote a book which is " Get strong at winning you know like when you have a dead group at the beginning and you cut everywhere and complicate things like crazy"
PetaWilson [6k?\]: what`s the best choice , kakari at d12?
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: hasami, not kakari
lordvad [29k?\]: it seems to be :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: well at least the move was right
Apple [-\]: :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: semantics :-)
Apple [-\]: niban basami?
Apple [-\]: (pas sur de moi la)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: f15 you mean?
Apple [-\]: no d12
ChampFr2 [-\]: nidan takabasami
domi [1k?\]: D14 ?
]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[hd]CR[hd]C[Fred [1k\]: d14 is rather small
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[Apple [-\]: d14 is joseki
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ff]CR[ff]C[domi [1k?\]: true but W is strong with C6
PetaWilson [6k?\]: what about f14, correct move?
domi [1k?\]: what else ?
pauno [4k?\]: locally definitely
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]C[domi [1k?\]: must make H16 work
pauno [4k?\]: hey, i am 4k! :)
Apple [-\]: definitely? woahh
PetaWilson [6k?\]: looks complicated to me already
domi [1k?\]: to them too ;)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: e16?
domi [1k?\]: B hesitates to caut ?
Fred [1k\]: f15!
domi [1k?\]: cut 
Fred [1k\]: erm, g15 rather
lordvad [29k?\]: :)
Apple [-\]: white want black to cut
domi [1k?\]: what else can be played ?
Apple [-\]: sure :)
Apple [-\]: the fight begins :))
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Aktuna [10k\]: :)
ChampFr2 [-\]: White : "quelle surprise"
PetaWilson [6k?\]: wonder how it will end :-)
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Fred [1k\]: dead white/
Apple [-\]: whole board fight perhaps
Apple [-\]: pompom pierre
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hopefully :-)
Shirka [9k\]: players are speaking during the games now ?
pauno [4k?\]: pompom?
domi [1k?\]: cigno, what do you think ?
cigno [4d\]: what do I know? :)
domi [1k?\]: so you are the stronger here ;-))
pauno [4k?\]: we need solaris
ChampFr2 [-\]: ask him :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: maybe they are discussing too :-)
Shirka [9k\]: many years ago, when i was playing during a championship, speaking was totaly forbiden :)
Fred [1k\]: he is teaching
Sethgo [24k?\]: no bodys playing, its demonstration ;0)
Sethgo [24k?\]: we're commenting
Sethgo [24k?\]: or rather, they are ;)
cigno [4d\]: will be a complicated fight, I guess, but both sides should be ok
]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[hf]CR[hf]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: f12?
]
;B[fh]CR[fh]C[Shirka [9k\]: Peta is here ? I thought you were a B-series actor only :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: defenitely not
Shirka [9k\]: in which other movie did she play ? (dont say nikita please)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: h12?
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Shirka [9k\]: h12 ? dont know the movie :)
lordvad [29k?\]: in fact, the title was "k16"
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm, probably you don`t
]
;B[ie]CR[ie]C[Odisseus [5k\]: But, do you like Peta Wilson for her beauty or becouse you think she is a good actress ?
]
;W[hh]CR[hh]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: inducing h12
]
;B[fj]CR[fj]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm, she just looks like me that`s all
]
;W[kf]CR[kf]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: w thickness already proving quite worthwhile
Shirka [9k\]: of course ...
PetaWilson [6k?\]: thank you
Aktuna [10k\]: k18?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: too low
Aktuna [10k\]: or k17?
pauno [4k?\]: it takes ages to see her site because its loading some animations 
pauno [4k?\]: fyi :)
Odisseus [5k\]: whose site ?
lordvad [29k?\]: peta's
Odisseus [5k\]: ?
lordvad [29k?\]: nope ?
pauno [4k?\]: she has grown up in the wilds of new guinea
domi [1k?\]: maybe B played H17 too early
pauno [4k?\]: is this true :)
scal [3k\]: f18 ?
pauno [4k?\]: yes, peta's site
]
(;B[gb]CR[gb])
(;B[fb]CR[fb]C[Odisseus [5k\]: The group in H16 looks like a deception to lure white in to attck
Fred [1k\]: wtf?
Odisseus [5k\]: and then capture the white stones around it
Fred [1k\]: wot is going on?
domi [1k?\]: what happened ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: clicko, sorry
Aktuna [10k\]: champfr2's little brother :)
Fred [1k\]: I no longer trust the hat in the picture :(
ChampFr2 [-\]: f18 is the game
Fred [1k\]: the winning move?
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[domi [1k?\]: we need another picture to watch under the cap
bulgroz [10k\]: a tee-shirt KGS ?
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[pauno [4k?\]: igs sucks t-shirts? :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: i like the empty triangle
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Fred [1k\]: what is an empty triangle?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: i thought you where a 1k
Fred [1k\]: i am
awelux [15k?\]: he could fill it later by playing H15.
pauno [4k?\]: this doesnt look like champions playing.. they should read this corner already :)
Odisseus [5k\]: cutting point
domi [1k?\]: hmmmm making the H15 atari gote
]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: corner alive now
PetaWilson [6k?\]: maybe K15 ?
domi [1k?\]: I was totally wrong in saying B H17 was to ezarly it seems
domi [1k?\]: early
Fred [1k\]: yep
PetaWilson [6k?\]: don`t feel bad about it, everyone makes mistakes sometimes
domi [1k?\]: I saw variations on this position but never study them ( not my level I think)
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[je]CR[je]C[Apple [-\]: joli
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm , inducing again
ChampFr2 [-\]: indeed, very nice
lefrog [15k\]: the magic cap speaks again!
PetaWilson [6k?\]: did not see it coming, wish i could play like that
Apple [-\]: me too :)
domi [1k?\]: can the cap tell us about how are the players ? ( is pierre red for example ?)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: k17 looks as a mistake to me
lefrog [15k\]: I thought he was white?
ChampFr2 [-\]: Pierre is a bit red :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: how many colors ?
domi [1k?\]: Pierre is very cute when he is embarassed
domi [1k?\]: ennuyé quoi
PetaWilson [6k?\]: not that many goplayers can me called cute
domi [1k?\]: what do you mean Peta ?
ChampFr [-\]: why is k15 nice ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: btw can you review the game?
domi [1k?\]: ChampFr where are you from the players ? same table ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: l17 is nice, inducing k15, my friend
ChampFr [-\]: thx brother
PetaWilson [6k?\]: how many champs are there?
lordvad [29k?\]: seventy-two
ChampFr [-\]: we are twins
PetaWilson [6k?\]: sure :-)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: I love twins
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ig]CR[ig]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: J18 too passive?
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[domi [1k?\]: too dagerous maybe
]
;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: capturing the cuttingstones looks quite large
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: L16 sente too
pauno [4k?\]: lol, 30 best players in my country would probably include me.. great battles for international broadcast :DD
]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[md]CR[md]C[domi [1k?\]: I like B and you ?
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[lefrog [15k\]: .
Voltaire [25k\]: whew....  can someone explain whats going on?
Voltaire [25k\]: my head hurts
PetaWilson [6k?\]: what a mess
Odisseus [5k\]: you can say that
PetaWilson [6k?\]: O15 maybe?
]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[lordvad [29k?\]: okay I must leave right now
lordvad [29k?\]: does these games available in sgf ?
Odisseus [5k\]: yes
lordvad [29k?\]: inthe future
Odisseus [5k\]: look at games / infos
ChampFr2 [-\]: games are saved in my info
Odisseus [5k\]: of ChampFr2
ChampFr2 [-\]: and my brother's info too :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: no sisters?
lordvad [29k?\]: :)
ChampFr [-\]: it depends
Aktuna [10k\]: how many brother/sister u have
Shirka [9k\]: n15 ?
lordvad [29k?\]: ok it's great
lordvad [29k?\]: bye all
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: somehow it looks as if w gets all the territory
Odisseus [5k\]: i would say a lot of
awelux [15k?\]: and if black loses another corner he should resign =P
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: on the other hand b is getiing thicker every move, i just don`t see what he `s going to do with it
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[awelux [15k?\]: kill the P10 /R 10 stones ?
malcolm [2d?\]: I like black's construction at the bottom, the corner+side are big
awelux [15k?\]: r15 seams natural
PetaWilson [6k?\]: guess w lives in gote yes
PetaWilson [6k?\]: but after that?
Shirka [9k\]: r15 not sure due to Q15 atari (after w S15 pf course)
Odisseus [5k\]: yes
Odisseus [5k\]: what then ?
Shirka [9k\]: a1
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Odisseus [5k\]: gulp
Odisseus [5k\]: a truly daring move !
Odisseus [5k\]: I don't see how white can avoid to play gote
Shirka [9k\]: what is gote ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: right, gote but alive
Odisseus [5k\]: losing the initiative
Shirka [9k\]: thx
PetaWilson [6k?\]: the problem with w q18 might be that the connection h18 is sente
Odisseus [5k\]: yes
Odisseus [5k\]: now it is at stakes the group of white
Odisseus [5k\]: in J18
PetaWilson [6k?\]: complicated fight
Shirka [9k\]: there will be a black stone at P18, will it be a problem with b M18 or am i wrong ?
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[malcolm [2d?\]: when the dust clears at the top, it'll be black turn. I think he'ill come in to invade the left side. Around C7,C8
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[domi [1k?\]: the most interesting game from this championship for me
Odisseus [5k\]: no problem, but would in that case white make two eyes after H18?
Odisseus [5k\]: no eyes now
Odisseus [5k\]: monkey jump from Q18
PetaWilson [6k?\]: d9 looks also interesting
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Odisseus [5k\]: ok, White knows how to live up there
malcolm [2d?\]: q13
PetaWilson [6k?\]: q13 now?
domi [1k?\]: I feel the moves very subbtle
malcolm [2d?\]: or q14... I dunno
]
;B[hb]CR[hb]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: white laughs
ChampFr2 [-\]: they're joking
palestrina [3k?\]: !?
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: right time to play sente
malcolm [2d?\]: white looks to be in trouble
Shirka [9k\]: why not b P18 instead of Q18 ?
malcolm [2d?\]: is the group alive?
domi [1k?\]: so after B15 will be sente, isn't it ?
]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[malcolm [2d?\]: no, i don't think b15 will ever be sente
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[domi [1k?\]: ?????
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm, not sure maybe ko
Odisseus [5k\]: M19 ?
domi [1k?\]: you mean the corner is alive if B connect ??
Shirka [9k\]: b is trying to kill eyes, right  ?
malcolm [2d?\]: yes domi, i think so
PetaWilson [6k?\]: yes
malcolm [2d?\]: right shirka
domi [1k?\]: I must study life & death
Odisseus [5k\]: make the group have just one
Shirka [9k\]: thx
Shirka [9k\]: (all of you :)
Odisseus [5k\]: to make a dead shape
PetaWilson [6k?\]: J19?
malcolm [2d?\]: sometimes shapes like the corner group end in thousand-year ko.
Odisseus [5k\]: N19 looks better
ChampFr2 [-\]: right malcolm
malcolm [2d?\]: But white has an extra liberty at e17. However, tenuki after black B15 may cost him the stones F17,16? etc (4 stones)
malcolm [2d?\]: the white top group looks to be in trouble
]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[Glorrandir [1d\]: isn't thousand-year ko better for white than losing 4 stones ?
domi [1k?\]: really malcolm ? lol
PetaWilson [6k?\]: looks alive to me now
malcolm [2d?\]: yes, white resists !
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hurray, the fight continues !
domi [1k?\]: that's great go I find !!!
domi [1k?\]: hello danoo :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: q13 maybe?
danoontje [5d\]: hi domi!
]
;B[ja]CR[ja]C[malcolm [2d?\]: glorrandir > I don't know
]
;W[ia]CR[ia]C[Odisseus [5k\]: alive
danoontje [5d\]: who are playing? or is that a stupid question? :-)
ChampFr2 [-\]: see my info danoo
danoontje [5d\]: ok thanks
domi [1k?\]: the best french players danoo
awelux [15k?\]: scroll up
]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[awelux [15k?\]: ah too bad
domi [1k?\]: it is one game of the french championship
Shirka [9k\]: the famus Q13 :)
malcolm [2d?\]: k19 was a waste of a ko threat. White has survived
Odisseus [5k\]: yes
noir [1k\]: k18 better no?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: k19 wasted points too
awelux [15k?\]: it's already out of the chat window. The chat windows are to small.
malcolm [2d?\]: white already has five groups
ChampFr2 [-\]: black muttered : k19 stupid
domi [1k?\]: that's why pierre Colmez was laughing at H18 :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: we all hear him
malcolm [2d?\]: how did th lower black corner come about ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: what about b N10
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[of]CR[of]C[noir [1k\]: what about k18 followed by j17?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: pointless imho
danoontje [5d\]: right
malcolm [2d?\]: what, noir? white is alive
noir [1k\]: before k19
noir [1k\]: instead
danoontje [5d\]: ah, but m19 makes 2 eyes than?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm, still pointless
Shirka [9k\]: p13 cut now ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: not sure about the cut
domi [1k?\]: S13 or is W thinking to cut ??
Odisseus [5k\]: first white has to live then he can cut
Apple [-\]: ??
Apple [-\]: strange proverb
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm
danoontje [5d\]: cut first think later :-)
malcolm [2d?\]: or is white alive? what if black o19? does that give ko?
domi [1k?\]: is this a proverb ???
Apple [-\]: surely not
ChampFr2 [-\]: players are ptdr
Apple [-\]: :))
PetaWilson [6k?\]: i don`t think the cut is correct at this stage
Apple [-\]: why?
Shirka [9k\]: yes, why ?
Apple [-\]: why is corf champ
Apple [-\]: for
domi [1k?\]: must translate Champ
]
;W[og]CR[og]C[Shirka [9k\]: cut and think after :)
malcolm [2d?\]: no, black o19-p19 and no probs for white
PetaWilson [6k?\]: i might be wrong :-(
danoontje [5d\]: yep, thats the spirit
Shirka [9k\]: i like this spirit :)
Shirka [9k\]: but when i cut, it's not the same end as when you play danoo :)
]
;B[la]CR[la]
;W[na]CR[na]C[domi [1k?\]: if I were B I will not be *ptdr*
noir [1k\]: what is ptdr?
Shirka [9k\]: (ptdr = in french : lol)
domi [1k?\]: t'es francais toi
PetaWilson [6k?\]: can someone explain m19?
Shirka [9k\]: who ?
malcolm [2d?\]: pété de rire
domi [1k?\]: mdr usually Shirka
ChampFr2 [-\]: B is unhappy of his last move again
PetaWilson [6k?\]: ah ic, thx
malcolm [2d?\]: m19 looks like another ko threat wasted
Odisseus [5k\]: threatens K18
Shirka [9k\]: ok, domi is going to translate 'pété de rire'...
PetaWilson [6k?\]: any sighs of b?
Shirka [9k\]: explode by laughing ?
Shirka [9k\]: :)
danoontje [5d\]: yes, maybe black can capture k16 and k17 now
malcolm [2d?\]: no, black k18 -white j17
Odisseus [5k\]: pe'te' ?
domi [1k?\]: I let you do it Shirka (too bad at english)
Odisseus [5k\]: yes, false threat
Shirka [9k\]: pété = explosed or something like that
malcolm [2d?\]: oops, i'm wrong again
]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[mg]CR[mg]C[domi [1k?\]: c'est chaud
PetaWilson [6k?\]: b in trouble?
danoontje [5d\]: so black hasnt to worry about q15 group
]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[lg]CR[lg]C[Shirka [9k\]: *glups*
Odisseus [5k\]: looks troubled to me
domi [1k?\]: glups
malcolm [2d?\]: no, I'm right : black k18 gives j17 and no probs for white
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rg]CR[rg]C[malcolm [2d?\]: it looks like stalingrad to me
domi [1k?\]: me too
Odisseus [5k\]: :-))
danoontje [5d\]: k18 j17 l19, black 3 liberties white 2 no?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: i don`t understand the moves :-(
Odisseus [5k\]: now white wants to live
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Odisseus [5k\]: then he captures
malcolm [2d?\]: sorry, I give up, I'm hallucinating
Odisseus [5k\]: lots of black stones
Odisseus [5k\]: :-)
danoontje [5d\]: but l19 is ok after k18, white has more liberties than
domi [1k?\]: maybe B played to early his M18 and so
Odisseus [5k\]: white is well and alive
Odisseus [5k\]: He wins the exchange
danoontje [5d\]: yes, but he is not alive after k18, only 1 eye
domi [1k?\]: game will be over soon
Odisseus [5k\]: O18
scal [3k\]: w dead in the upper side ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: alive at a cost
danoontje [5d\]: yes
scal [3k\]: seems
malcolm [2d?\]: white can be killed on upper side
noir [1k\]: yes
scal [3k\]: so B is good
malcolm [2d?\]: white k18 lives, black k18 kills
scal [3k\]: yes
danoontje [5d\]: but q15 doesnt have many liberties
malcolm [2d?\]: pauvre pierre
scal [3k\]: w can't save his 2 groups
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[Apple [-\]: :)
domi [1k?\]: ????
ChampFr2 [-\]: Pierre is better when he has a dead group :=)
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[li]CR[li]C[ChampFr [-\]: les joueurs n'arretent pas de se marrer sur cette table
PetaWilson [6k?\]: m11 bigger then k18?
Shirka [9k\]: ca fait plaisir
malcolm [2d?\]: eng=players lol
domi [1k?\]: why don't he try to make the corner alive keeping the treat of Q12 ?
danoontje [5d\]: yes i dont understand either
Shirka [9k\]: dead groups are fighting dead groups :)
domi [1k?\]: no
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm, strange indeed, guess they don`t see it
hello [3d\]: k18 - L19 - k18 - o18?
Shirka [9k\]: it was only humur peta ...
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, white is alive
domi [1k?\]: was you mean ?
malcolm [2d?\]: yes white is alive
danoontje [5d\]: at the cost of k16 and k17
domi [1k?\]: what W is alive please, I am totally lost
minismurf [4d?\]: w top is alive
malcolm [2d?\]: white upper group alive
XiaoLin [2k\]: What about W N15 then M14 and then P15, can W at S18 help?????
]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[domi [1k?\]: top upper but he has so many groups
ChampFr2 [-\]: black : "banzai"
Shirka [9k\]: :)
minismurf [4d?\]: hmm?
Shirka [9k\]: i thought b S15 was necessary ...
XiaoLin [2k\]: but seems not, only if W plays S15 and then S18, but again seems that can't capture
danoontje [5d\]: maybe black sacrifies the 4 black stones xiaolin, they are not important
malcolm [2d?\]: OK bye
Odisseus [5k\]: why white played Q 12 instead of the more simple and clean S14 ?
XiaoLin [2k\]: maybe
domi [1k?\]: sorry but did you mean the M17 group has problem before ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: r7 threatens s5?
danoontje [5d\]: yes
scal [3k\]: if B K18 W m17 dead
PetaWilson [6k?\]: ok, thx
domi [1k?\]: I can't see the sequence 
scal [3k\]: k18 l19 k18
XiaoLin [2k\]: if B K18 now, then W O18
domi [1k?\]: oh yes so easy
domi [1k?\]: sorry
XiaoLin [2k\]: is also fine :)
scal [3k\]: sorry, alive
ChampFr2 [-\]: time elapsed : b 50 min, w 60 min
scal [3k\]: after o18 :o)
hello [3d\]: time allowed?
ChampFr2 [-\]: time remaining
PetaWilson [6k?\]: byo?
ChampFr2 [-\]: allowed is 75 min + 15 stones/5min
ChampFr2 [-\]: oops, not remaining, used
ChampFr2 [-\]: they say it's really too hard
ChampFr2 [-\]: they'd prefer be playing cards
XiaoLin [2k\]: hmm, why 'estimate score" treats W's upper left group dead????
domi [1k?\]: pheno, is it funny to do what you are doing ?
ChampFr [-\]: jeff prend en photo les gens qui observent sa partie
]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[nl]CR[nl]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: yes domi
danoontje [5d\]: if we dont know if its alive or not, how should the score est know it? :-)
danoontje [5d\]: oh sorry upper left
domi [1k?\]: lol danoo
]
;W[mj]CR[mj]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: n7?
XiaoLin [2k\]: isn't it alive????
danoontje [5d\]: yes sorry lin i thought you meant the upper middle white group
scal [3k\]: yes, but B seems connected
Shirka [9k\]: w can cut with P8
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: /
]
;B[mm]CR[mm]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: hi bill, players' names are in my info
]
;W[ln]CR[ln]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: L8?
]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[lo]CR[lo]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: Go is to cut :)
domi [1k?\]: they are never tired
PetaWilson [6k?\]: this looks fierce
danoontje [5d\]: yes black also knows his proverbs
Glorrandir [1d\]: french style :)
ChampFr2 [-\]: black : "it doesn"t work" (smiling)
]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: I like it :-)
]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: capture?
]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[danoontje [5d\]: p5 you mean? or the whole group?
XiaoLin [2k\]: B p5, then r6???
]
;W[re]CR[re]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: p5
]
;B[sg]CR[sg]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Odisseus [5k\]: ok
domi [1k?\]: these 2 players know each others very well since more than 15 years
Odisseus [5k\]: now "redde rationem"
awelux [15k?\]: what was whites previous move ?
danoontje [5d\]: s15
PetaWilson [6k?\]: what about t13, dead or alive?
awelux [15k?\]: ah ok.
PetaWilson [6k?\]: s19?
scal [3k\]: w looks for k18 cutting h17 group ?
]
;B[ra]CR[ra]C[XiaoLin [2k\]: I can smell some KO there :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: pleasant parfume
Fred [1k\]: u must have a good nose
Odisseus [5k\]: and a very big one
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[se]CR[se]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[si]CR[si]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[domi [1k?\]: Colmez = W Jef Seailles = B (pour Haboru)
Shirka [9k\]: those players are on kgs sometimes ?
speedyG [1k\]: hmm...that picture is the la femme nikita girl?
XiaoLin [2k\]: W k14?????
ChampFr2 [-\]: no Shirka, at least not yet...
Fred [1k\]: waht picture?
]
;W[gg]CR[gg]C[Shirka [9k\]: why not ? they play only at go club ?
domi [1k?\]: No Shirka I don't think they play here
speedyG [1k\]: hmm...seems like difficult ko for white to win
speedyG [1k\]: multi step
Odisseus [5k\]: yes
domi [1k?\]: a free ko for W no ?
Odisseus [5k\]: but many ko threats around H15
ChampFr2 [-\]: if white t12 it is not multi-step
ChampFr2 [-\]: oops, t12 is astep :)
speedyG [1k\]: still 2 step
speedyG [1k\]: yes
scal [3k\]: yes free ko for W
ToastyKen [19k\]: but white would also have to ignorea  lot of black threats, no?
hello [3d\]: w wins ko with t12
speedyG [1k\]: hmm...
domi [1k?\]: ???
]
;B[jg]CR[jg]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: still laughing
ChampFr2 [-\]: it was too simple
domi [1k?\]: is Pierre red ? 
Haboru [5d\]: Colmez ist Black or White ?
ToastyKen [19k\]: ah i see.. so white only has to ignore one black threat
minismurf [4d?\]: what was too simple?
ChampFr2 [-\]: he's happy to fight again
PetaWilson [6k?\]: great having fun at the goban
speedyG [1k\]: who is laughing?
speedyG [1k\]: one of the players?
ChampFr2 [-\]: I mean they decided for greater complications smurf
domi [1k?\]: Colmez is W haboru
speedyG [1k\]: on kgs?
Haboru [5d\]: ok thks
speedyG [1k\]: ah
speedyG [1k\]: ok
ToastyKen [19k\]: is this game timed?
bluremi [11k\]: can i ask what game is this?
speedyG [1k\]: prolly
minismurf [4d?\]: of course
ChampFr2 [-\]: yes
]
;W[sa]CR[sa]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: see my info bluremi
]
;B[sh]CR[sh]C[bluremi [11k\]: k thanks
PetaWilson [6k?\]: m12?
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[wms [2k\]: I'm not sure m12 is big enough
wms [2k\]: Once R13 is dead, m12 not so important
Haboru [5d\]: G12
noir [1k\]: k13 good
Odisseus [5k\]: G 12 is a BIG ko threat
Shirka [9k\]: f13 ?
Odisseus [5k\]: split-attack
ChampFr2 [-\]: w has 5 min left, b 10 min left
Haboru [5d\]: Yes but pb because of G12 , L13
]
;W[gh]CR[gh]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[scal [3k\]: k18?
ChampFr2 [-\]: white : "snif"
Odisseus [5k\]: O18 ?
speedyG [1k\]: snif?
bluremi [11k\]: he said that?
ChampFr2 [-\]: yes
bluremi [11k\]: these games are online?
speedyG [1k\]: what does that mean?
ChampFr2 [-\]: the atmosphere is very friendly on this game
Shirka [9k\]: that mean : *sad*
speedyG [1k\]: ah
Shirka [9k\]: but in cartoons
Apple [-\]: now black will suffer a bit
hello [3d\]: h18 not in danger because k17 stones too weak
ChampFr2 [-\]: or a lot
Shirka [9k\]: w F13 now ?
Johann [?\]: f8
]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[kg]CR[kg]C[bluremi [11k\]: this move doesn't make sense to me
]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[wms [2k\]: b is free
Apple [-\]: short of time?
Haboru [5d\]: very important
]
;B[ji]CR[ji]C[Hu [10k\]: Why not W M12 instead of L12?
wms [2k\]: now M12 (b) becomes sente
]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[bluremi [11k\]: snap bakc i guess
Haboru [5d\]: better to discard the B stones I think
]
;B[ij]CR[ij]C[Haboru [5d\]: and to escape
hello [3d\]: now b in more danger because k17 stones safe
]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[bh]CR[bh]C[minismurf [4d?\]: what is the boy-yomi?
ChampFr2 [-\]: canadian, 15 stones / 5 min
]
;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Shirka [9k\]: it's a boy who is called yomi
]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[danoontje [5d\]: ah i missed the best part
]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[ei]CR[ei]C[Apple [-\]: quite a fighting game :)
ChampFr2 [-\]: news : fredéric donzet beats Jean Michel by 2.5 and has 3 wins /3
Apple [-\]: wahou
Shirka [9k\]: cool :)
Apple [-\]: and toru?
ChampFr2 [-\]: oops
ChampFr [-\]: still playing
ChampFr2 [-\]: sorry
domi [1k?\]: high level fighting
ChampFr2 [-\]: jean won
ChampFr2 [-\]: and has 3 victories
minismurf [4d?\]: heh
Fred [1k\]: oh no, does b live here?
]
;B[ej]CR[ej]C[danoontje [5d\]: looks pretty dead
PetaWilson [6k?\]: looks pretty
]
;W[dg]CR[dg]C[domi [1k?\]: is death pretty ?
domi [1k?\]: ;-)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: death=life
Haboru [5d\]: G11
ToastyKen [19k\]: woudl g11 turn it into a semeai?
danoontje [5d\]: maybe, but white can compromise with c14
domi [1k?\]: Toastyken arfff after KiwiPete !!
Shirka [9k\]: there is still c14 atari
XiaoLin [2k\]: hardly, because of W C14
Haboru [5d\]: G11 to get a ko for the life
]
;B[me]CR[me]C[ToastyKen [19k\]: domi: huh?
domi [1k?\]: funny nickname
ToastyKen [19k\]: ah. :) thanks. :)
steelhead [4k\]: is this live?
]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[ok]CR[ok]C[ToastyKen [19k\]: it's funny, because "kiwi" was a(n unwelcome) nickname for me back in middle school. :P
ChampFr2 [-\]: news : Farid Ben Malek beats Minh-Quy Nguyen
awelux [15k?\]: reducing ko threats again ?
domi [1k?\]: and now W K16 dead again ?
Haboru [5d\]: No B wants to kill the big w
Odisseus [5k\]: no dead
Haboru [5d\]: bug very ambititious
ChampFr2 [-\]: white enters byo-yomi
PetaWilson [6k?\]: t11 has one eye?
Haboru [5d\]: after M9 dead no ?
]
;W[kj]CR[kj]C[domi [1k?\]: I am right watching and not playing I think, this game is too difficult
minismurf [4d?\]: no, you should have qualified for the french champs, would have given you some good games :)
steelhead [4k\]: w threatens j11?
danoontje [5d\]: o11 makes seki
ChampFr2 [-\]: news, fanfan beats Toru (using kgs nicknames)
Haboru [5d\]: Pb : O11 do a seki
domi [1k?\]: smurf are you going to play the swedish one ?
steelhead [4k\]: o11 is slick ... 
Apple [-\]: poor toru :(
]
;B[bg]CR[bg]C[steelhead [4k\]: who is w and b?
Apple [-\]: I have to go :( too bad
]
;W[gj]CR[gj]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: see my info steelhead
ToastyKen [19k\]: how is o11 seki?
Haboru [5d\]: if B lives, B will be dead in center
steelhead [4k\]: i wonder why i can't back up and look at previous moves in a demo game.... 
steelhead [4k\]: have to view ofline to do it.
danoontje [5d\]: w 011 and black cant ever play n11 or p11
domi [1k?\]: next client must give a place to write these things
ChampFr2 [-\]: use tha analyse then
minismurf [4d?\]: because that is the whole point of a _demonstration_
ChampFr2 [-\]: black enters byo-yomi
hello [3d\]: b ok i center because of k18 aji
minismurf [4d?\]: someone else is showing you things
]
;B[gk]CR[gk]C[ToastyKen [19k\]: oh.. WHITE o11.. thatmakes more sense. thanks. :)
steelhead [4k\]: yes,..... but is hould be able to go back and review....
ChampFr2 [-\]: the analyse tool is for that steelhead
steelhead [4k\]: yes.. i knoew, but in regular games that is not necessary.... just an observation...
domi [1k?\]: how B will answer J11 ?
domi [1k?\]: later I mean
scal [3k\]: a whole part of this game has been about the k18 aji
ToastyKen [19k\]: steelhead.. imagine this: you back up to 164.. and the person with control, skips to move 80.. now if you click forward arrow.. should it go to 165 or 80?  
]
;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[danoontje [5d\]: good idea domi
]
;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[ii]CR[ii]C[hello [3d\]: if w o11, still b can make ko with q10
]
;W[jk]CR[jk]
;B[ik]CR[ik]
;W[lk]CR[lk]C[danoontje [5d\]: a right :-)
ToastyKen [19k\]: you can't back up in a demo because the game isn't linear.
]
;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[dl]CR[dl]C[steelhead [4k\]: okay... i agree for demo, so perhaps these live games should be done different...
]
;B[dm]CR[dm]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: d14 no good?
minismurf [4d?\]: what is your problem with viewing offline?
]
;W[fk]CR[fk]C[steelhead [4k\]: it is just kind of a pain to fire up the offline reviewer everytime I want to look at something....
]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[mld [-\]: actually broadcasting could be different from reviewing
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]C[Shirka [9k\]: b E16 doesn't work ?
steelhead [4k\]: i don't have a problem... its just an observation...as i said.
mld [-\]: if you missed the beginning ...
ToastyKen [19k\]: i suppose one way of doing it would be to just have two people do the broadcasting.. and have them play each other witht eh moves from teh broadcast. :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hm, ok thx
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[steelhead [4k\]: yeah, or make it an option for demo games....
]
;B[bl]CR[bl]C[domi [1k?\]: so what about K18, nobody answered ?
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[ek]CR[ek]C[minismurf [4d?\]: it takes 2 stones still
]
;W[el]CR[el]
;B[fl]CR[fl]C[scal [3k\]: yes
]
;W[dk]CR[dk]C[minismurf [4d?\]: so black does not have to worry about center stones
scal [3k\]: so B is strong here
]
;B[fk]CR[fk]
;W[em]CR[em]C[ToastyKen [19k\]: i thnk the develo9pers are just trying to keep the client as simple as possible.. like how rengo games could be better if there were a special mode for it.. but it keeps code maintenance simpler to use a bot for rengo instead.
]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[bj]CR[bj]C[minismurf [4d?\]: developer :)
Haboru [5d\]: B10 to live
Haboru [5d\]: wrong 
Haboru [5d\]: B10, B9 A12 and live
Haboru [5d\]: No sorry stupid
steelhead [4k\]: c5 lives....
]
;B[dn]CR[dn]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: players are tense now, because of time pressure
steelhead [4k\]: oooo lah lah!
]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[Hu [10k\]: ToastyKen is right.
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[co]CR[co]C[Lodulac [14k\]: E16 sente ? D14 sente too ? so black alive ?
danoontje [5d\]: d14 is not sente
Lodulac [14k\]: what about e13 then after ?
]
;B[do]CR[do]C[Fred [1k\]: b15 pokes the eye
]
;W[bq]CR[bq]C[Lodulac [14k\]: err, sorry, misread :)
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]C[Fred [1k\]: just make sure it doesnt happen again :)
]
;W[gn]CR[gn]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: J6
]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[fm]CR[fm]C[Odisseus [5k\]: white lost
steelhead [4k\]: better do what nikita says!
]
;B[kl]CR[kl]C[Haboru [5d\]: No B lost
Odisseus [5k\]: yes
]
;W[kk]CR[kk]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: not yet finished
Odisseus [5k\]: you are right
noir [1k\]: estimator un peu optimist
Fred [1k\]: who is nikita?
bluremi [11k\]: could someone clarify: upper left black group is dead, right?
Fred [1k\]: yes, blur
steelhead [4k\]: nikita is peta!
scal [3k\]: yes, but aji
PetaWilson [6k?\]: welcome
Shirka [9k\]: peta is a fake ! nikita is Anne Parillaud
Fred [1k\]: la femme nikita?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: hi
]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[ho]CR[ho]C[PetaWilson [6k?\]: :-)
ToastyKen [19k\]: shirka speaks the truth. :)
awelux [15k?\]: G3
PetaWilson [6k?\]: sure :-)
Odisseus [5k\]: yes, better the Parillaud and the film by Besson
]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[hn]CR[hn]
;B[hp]CR[hp]C[Shirka [9k\]: thanks :)
PetaWilson [6k?\]: thans
noir [1k\]: yes
noir [1k\]: of course
PetaWilson [6k?\]: sure
]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[dr]CR[dr]C[steelhead [4k\]: can b get w with r6 and s3?
domi [1k?\]: has someone counted ?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: looks alive
danoontje [5d\]: good question steel
]
;B[kn]CR[kn]
;W[jo]CR[jo]C[bluremi [11k\]: i don't understand why whit didn't cut at M8
minismurf [4d?\]: black has a lot of captures
]
;B[hm]CR[hm]C[hello [3d\]: why w b15?
]
;W[ko]CR[ko]C[danoontje [5d\]: i think r6 s3 kills
steelhead [4k\]: because he must start racing soon....
minismurf [4d?\]: he doesn't want to have to capture the black stones?
PetaWilson [6k?\]: to prevent semidori?
]
;B[lm]CR[lm]C[minismurf [4d?\]: it seems wrong but it must be the purpose
]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[steelhead [4k\]: bummer :)
]
;W[qs]CR[qs]C[ChampFr2 [-\]: black lost on time
minismurf [4d?\]: black was winning, no?
ChampFr2 [-\]: white wins
domi [1k?\]: pfffff
Shirka [9k\]: ???
bluremi [11k\]: pfffffff
Shirka [9k\]: pfffffff
jim [6d\]: C14 not neccesary I think
domi [1k?\]: Jeff !!!!
minismurf [4d?\]: pfffffff
tumbleweed [-\]: people seem to be leaking
Shirka [9k\]: it's pffff time ! go !
domi [1k?\]: who was winning ?
steelhead [4k\]: wish we could have seen r6, s3....
bluremi [11k\]: >_< shirka you killed it
Shirka [9k\]: pffffff bluremi
bluremi [11k\]: a joke is like a delicate flower
minismurf [4d?\]: i think it's black otherwise
bluremi [11k\]: touch it and the bloom is gone :)
minismurf [4d?\]: how many stones did b have left in the boy-yomi?
Shirka [9k\]: well said blure :)
scal [3k\]: W was ahead ,
danoontje [5d\]: score est says b +10
minismurf [4d?\]: white has a little more on the top
minismurf [4d?\]: than score est thinks
tumbleweed [-\]: still not enough
ChampFr2 [-\]: thank you for watching and commenting this game
scal [3k\]: thank you too
bluremi [11k\]: thanks for recreating it
scal [3k\]: nice game
minismurf [4d?\]: snif
Glorrandir [1d\]: score est forget a6 and f1 for white
bluremi [11k\]: i hate it when people lose on time
ChampFr2 [-\]: see you tomorrow for three more rounds
domi [1k?\]: no maybe W was winning
ChampFr2 [-\]: they said white was ahead anyway
ChampFr2 [-\]: bye all
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