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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:10.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Ben Malek]
PW[Colmez]
DT[2002-08-25]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
KM[5.5]
RU[AGA]
RE[W+T]

C[ChampFr2 [-\]: hi all
sould3mon [28k?\]: morning
sould3mon [28k?\]: your brother wins on  observers again :( 
ChampFr2 [-\]: This game is between Pierre Colmez 5d, 2001 French
champion, and Farid Ben Malek 5d, former French champion
ChampFr2 [-\]: the winner of this game will probably play the
best-of-three final of the championship in november
ChampFr2 [-\]: the loser must win his last game to play this final
domi [1k?\]: hello
ChampFr2 [-\]: so this game is very important
ChampFr2 [-\]: Colmez is white, Ben Malek is black
domi [1k?\]: are the players both awaken ?
vlindertje [7k\]: :-)
ChampFr2 [-\]: alloted time : 1h15 by player + canadian overtime
: 15 stones in 5 minutes
]CA[UTF-8];B[pd]
C[domi [1k?\]: no bold announcement ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: done domi
]CR[pd]
;W[cq]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: very tense atmosphere
]CR[cq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[cc]
C[domi [1k?\]: oh 2 san-san, very rare nowadays
ChampFr2 [-\]: this white often plays this
]CR[cc]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[ql]
C[domi [1k?\]: who are you Champ ?
]CR[ql]
;W[qf]CR[qf]

;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[qg]CR[qg]

;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[nd]
C[silly [3k\]: who are you champ?
Hu [10k\]: ChampFr2, qui etes-vous?
ChampFr2 [-\]: an anonymous scribe
domi [1k?\]: pffffffffffffff
Hu [10k\]: Phenomene?
domi [1k?\]: :-))
ChampFr2 [-\]: congrats Hu, you won :)
Hu [10k\]: ^^
domi [1k?\]: only you beyond the scribes can know what Pierre
Colmez plays usually with white
domi [1k?\]: so here, W wanted to avoid this very long & complicated
joseki which beginns with the cut at Q8 and give B a beautiful
thickness
domi [1k?\]: guess next move ?
silly [3k\]: p15?
domi [1k?\]: if P15, what play W ?
domi [1k?\]: san san ?
domi [1k?\]: Hu ? no idea ?
Hu [10k\]: P15 looks good.
]CR[nd]
;B[qc]
C[domi [1k?\]: glups
]CR[qc]
;W[jq]
C[domi [1k?\]: true that B played the opposite what is always taugh
: go out and separate: possible in this case, the rule was not
good
]CR[jq]
;B[fd]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: separating strong groups is useless
domi [1k?\]: next move ?
domi [1k?\]: the problem with san san is that a pincer is not
very efficient, I believe
domi [1k?\]: in fact I try to play san san but stop it, so I don't
know how it works
]CR[fd]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[cj]
C[domi [1k?\]: isn'it a pity to play a san san and a hoshi after
?
silly [3k\]: can we watch these games later?
Hu [10k\]: Yes from ChampFr2 game record.
ChampFr2 [-\]: the games are saved in ChampFr & ChampFr2 infos
RtheJackal [25k\]: will it have all this blather there too?
silly [3k\]: cool
Hu [10k\]: Yes, Jackal, but you can edit me out.
RtheJackal [25k\]: lol
RtheJackal [25k\]: I am more worried about editing me out.
ChampFr2 [-\]: you can see sgf of non broadcasted games at http://strasbourg.jeudego.org
too
]CR[cj]
;W[hc]
C[domi [1k?\]: I supposed Fan Hui the 2p makes some commentaries
]CR[hc]

;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[gd]
C[domi [1k?\]: I answered myself : yes he did - So other question
: has someone saved this commentaries ?
]CR[gd]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[nf]CR[nf]

;B[of]
C[Hu [10k\]: Domi asks a good question:  Will the commentaries be
available later?  (Or even now if they are real time?)
dreck [30k?\]: hélo 
dreck [30k?\]: Who plays ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: see my info dreck
domi [1k?\]: happy that Hu understands my question :)
domi [1k?\]: how to make life for these stones ?
dreck [30k?\]: Q18
]CR[of]
;W[rd]
C[Hu [10k\]: if W Q18, B P17
dreck [30k?\]: ok
Hu [10k\]: But these are dans, so they might play anywhere ^^
dreck [30k?\]: I can't understand them lol
ChampFr2 [-\]: players' strenght is about 7/8 kgs dan 
deft [4d\]: in fact, it's much easier to predict where dan players
are going to play ^_^
ChampFr2 [-\]: Farid plays as fafa here
domi [1k?\]: don't try dreck, just observe the dynamic
ChampFr2 [-\]: (not so often)
dreck [30k?\]: yep
domi [1k?\]: now I suppose B must attack the 3 white in making
them heavy
domi [1k?\]: deft, what do you think ?
deft [4d\]: i think playing a move like s16 on the second line
when you have stones under attack is extremely painful
domi [1k?\]: so now what to play with B ?
]CR[rd]
;B[lg]
C[bass [2k\]: s16 creates forcing moves in the corner, right?
]CR[lg]
;W[kf]
C[domi [1k?\]: what forcing moves ?
deft [4d\]: I don't like S16, I think it's a poor move...
ckbradley [3d\]: white is alive anyway without it i think
domi [1k?\]: yes but having to live in gote in letting B play
many moves would have been painful too no ?
bass [2k\]: agree, s16 to m13 is definitely a poor trade
ckbradley [3d\]: well they are of course better than we are, but
at such an early stage i think the m16 stones are more important
deft [4d\]: S16 is a very big endgame move, but playing around
M13 looks much more urgent
ChampFr2 [-\]: Colmez is very strong at shinogi
ckbradley [3d\]: agree deft
ckbradley [3d\]: but who knows what they think :-)
domi [1k?\]: :-)
ChampFr2 [-\]: he usually has many weak groups in complicated
fights
domi [1k?\]: B H16 group is not so strong, is it ?
ckbradley [3d\]: white isn't either
deft [4d\]: no it isn't domi, so maybe M13 was played in the wrong
direction... L14 is a good move...
]CR[kf]
;B[kg]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: wall is bigger after m13
deft [4d\]: you're supposed to push weak stones _into_ your thickness,
not away from it...
]CR[kg]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[hf]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: but p13 group isn't totally secure i think
ckbradley [3d\]: if u did that
]CR[hf]
;W[jg]
C[deft [4d\]: well, it's more secure than the H16 stones...
]CR[jg]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[ke]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: guess it's strategy of player.. who knows
]CR[ke]

;B[hh]CR[hh]
;W[ji]
C[deft [4d\]: there is a weakness, but overall B is much thicker
in that direction -- in the other direction there's just C10...
]CR[ji]
;B[li]
C[deft [4d\]: K9, make the group strong before attacking B...
domi [1k?\]: sorry to insist, pheno but I wonder Fan Hui made
comments which will be lost for ever ;-(
deft [4d\]: but since W was said to rely on shinogi it doesn't
seem very likely he'll take my advice ;-)
dreck [30k?\]: why not K10 ?
dreck [30k?\]: B K10
deft [4d\]: K10?????
dreck [30k?\]: on the star point
deft [4d\]: that's not a move...
domi [1k?\]: deft, dreck is a cute beginner :)
dreck [30k?\]: :-/
bass [2k\]: dreck, no hope in trying to surround white directly
deft [4d\]: it's W's move, isn't it?
ChampFr2 [-\]: Fan Hui 2p is not here, but there is Dai Jung Fu
7d
dreck [30k?\]: ok...
Hu [10k\]: Is he or she providing commentary?
ChampFr2 [-\]: nope...
]CR[li]
;W[ij]
C[domi [1k?\]: ok, thanks pheno, no commentary ????
]CR[ij]
;B[gj]
C[deft [4d\]: W is leading...
]CR[gj]
;W[kh]
C[dreck [30k?\]: yes
]CR[kh]
;B[lh]
C[domi [1k?\]: G9 is not possible, so what tobi ?
deft [4d\]: O4?
]CR[lh]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hj]
C[deft [4d\]: oooo, agressive...
]CR[hj]

;B[fj]
C[deft [4d\]: is G13 possible?
domi [1k?\]: what to do, deft ?
ckbradley [3d\]: it might backfire
deft [4d\]: hard to say, I'm no good in this kind of position...
sita [2d\]: Yes, if b captures 3 w stones in the end that couldn't
be namend an success.. :)
ckbradley [3d\]: d13 first  maybe?
]CR[fj]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[hg]
C[domi [1k?\]: :-))
ChampFr2 [-\]: white is well-known for his awesome reading strenght
and fighting power, and black for his more academic style(he
was insei in Japan)
sita [2d\]: well, if g13 is played, g12 is the only continuation,
or not?
deft [4d\]: F11
deft [4d\]: G12 is a poor move
sita [2d\]: yes, that's why I did not want to play g13 at all.
ChampFr2 [-\]: g13 is kikachi
sita [2d\]: yes, maybe.
deft [4d\]: F11 E11 F13... now I can't find a way for B to capture
the W stones, so it seems playable
deft [4d\]: but very dangerous...
]CR[hg]
;W[fi]
C[domi [1k?\]: hmmmm
deft [4d\]: it's very dangerous for both players...
Hu [10k\]: B E14?
deft [4d\]: E10 is an important point, Hu -- it's painful to let
W play there...
deft [4d\]: but maybe neccessary?
Hu [10k\]: Yes.
Hu [10k\]: painful
noir [1k\]: e11? or e10?
domi [1k?\]: did they play go after dinner yesterday ?
deft [4d\]: I can't find a good move for B...
sita [2d\]: b can't either. :)
domi [1k?\]: so maybe resign ?
domi [1k?\]: :-))
sita [2d\]: well, that's a bit early :)
deft [4d\]: I don't think anyone in their right mind would resign
in this position..
bass [2k\]: that is seldom a good move, either :-)
deft [4d\]: so many possibilities...
ckbradley [3d\]: lol
sita [2d\]: It is a very good move, but you seldom win by playing
it.
ckbradley [3d\]: i go with e11 here
]CR[fi]
;B[ei]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: :-)
deft [4d\]: F13
deft [4d\]: I think it ends badly for B...
]CR[ei]
;W[fh]
C[deft [4d\]: ?
bass [2k\]: hmmm
domi [1k?\]: for me what W does is almost unbelievable
]CR[fh]
;B[ef]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: yeah me too.. way to aggressive for me
deft [4d\]: E12
bass [2k\]: maybe w missclicked :-)
domi [1k?\]: :-) ask undo ?
sita [2d\]: Don't tournament boards have anti slip moving? :)
domi [1k?\]: is Pierre Colmez red ?
deft [4d\]: the good shape move here is actually D13
sita [2d\]: what about d3?
sita [2d\]: d13, yes
deft [4d\]: but in this kind of fight good shape is nothing, only
reading deeply will help you...
ckbradley [3d\]: i think white is dead no matter what
sita [2d\]: As we can see in w's last move :)
Hu [10k\]: B D13 (instead of E14) or W D13?
sita [2d\]: w d13 now
domi [1k?\]: so D13 answered with D14 and ?
sita [2d\]: That's the problem, domi...
domi [1k?\]: lol
deft [4d\]: E12,then if B answers D11, W can continue pushing
D12C12D13 and he will get out...
]CR[ef]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[di]
C[sita [2d\]: interesting. noone had expected this, I suppose...
ckbradley [3d\]: impressive
sita [2d\]: including black :)
domi [1k?\]: yes expected but ???
ckbradley [3d\]: at worst a ko
domi [1k?\]: is it a problem for B ?
deft [4d\]: it's very problematic for B.. at this point there
is really no way to make a trade, so one side will get a bad
result...
sita [2d\]: the problem is the cut at f14
sita [2d\]: if this moves secures sente (w c13, b c14 maybe),
this cut can become dangerous.
ReadMyInfo [?\]: hi
deft [4d\]: the problem us B doesn't have eyes on either side
of the W stones, so if they survive, he needs two moves in a
row to make both sides alive
deft [4d\]: for W, the problem is obvious: how to avoid capture?
domi [1k?\]: do you mean W can make life for F12 and cut B in
sente ?
]CR[di]

;B[ej]
C[deft [4d\]: the F14 cut isn't that important, the W stones are
cutting B in two weak groups as it is...
sita [2d\]: I thought it is importnat, becuase w cannot make live
alone
sita [2d\]: and the two other b groups have too many libberties.
deft [4d\]: maybe, maybe not, sita
sita [2d\]: ok :)
Hu [10k\]: W E12, to gain time to live?
deft [4d\]: if you can read this out to the end, you're much stronger
than me...
sita [2d\]: d12 would be my move here.
Hu [10k\]: I can't.
sita [2d\]: I cannot. I just guessed... :)
YueGuang [1d\]: i like d12 too
deft [4d\]: D12 F14F13
deft [4d\]: doesn't look too good
ckbradley [3d\]: f14 only move i think
ckbradley [3d\]: ko
deft [4d\]: F14 E13
ckbradley [3d\]: right a ko
deft [4d\]: I don't see any ko...
ckbradley [3d\]: well let me take that back..  because of d10
maybe white has advantage
domi [1k?\]: F14 --> E13 ?
sita [2d\]: I don't see a ko, too.
ckbradley [3d\]: yeah i agree.. i guess you can connect at d12
instead of a ko
deft [4d\]: I would like to play E12, so B can't have F14 in sente
sita [2d\]: so, e12 or f12 is the question?
hase [12k\]: what about c14? could this help?
sita [2d\]: I think so too now, deft.
]CR[ej]
;W[eh]
C[sita [2d\]: pooh, just in time :)
domi [1k?\]: :-))
bass [2k\]: takes away a crucial liberty from the f10 stones,
nice
Hu [10k\]: Gains a couple of liberties for W too.
deft [4d\]: D10 looks like only move, but maybe it doesn't work...
Hu [10k\]: by avoiding being cut
bass [2k\]: c11?
Hu [10k\]: D9 blocks D10 and then F10 group can run to get liberties.
deft [4d\]: C11 looks possible
sita [2d\]: and c10?
sita [2d\]: the cut is problem, but maybe c11 protects it enough.
sita [2d\]: on the other hand, I like the c12 answer for w.
deft [4d\]: I think D10 is most efficient way of covering the
cut ;-)
bass [2k\]: yes :-)
domi [1k?\]: what about the time they spent ?
sita [2d\]: do you think so? no ways to cut after that? :)
bass [2k\]: if this ever goes to yose, the byoyomi effect will
be fun..
ChampFr2 [-\]: remaining time : black 6 min white 23 min
YueGuang [1d\]: ouch
deft [4d\]: I bet this game will be won by resign
sita [2d\]: oh dear. Sad that byo will decide the fight...
ChampFr2 [-\]: byo-yomi is 15 stones every 5 min
deft [4d\]: probably no more than 20 moves left of this game....
domi [1k?\]: deft, remember you have that terrible idea to play
G13 :-p
]CR[eh]
;B[ci]
C[obs [10k\]: salut seb
YueGuang [1d\]: c11 looks too good
ChampFr2 [-\]: salut Frédéric
deft [4d\]: I said it was dangerous, didn't I ;-)
YueGuang [1d\]: white will crumble
noir [1k\]: crumble?
YueGuang [1d\]: crumble
deft [4d\]: like a cookie when you break it with your hand, noir...
deft [4d\]: fall to pieces
ckbradley [3d\]: c14 and now we have the ko ;-)
noir [1k\]: thanks
]CR[ci]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[ce]
C[sita [2d\]: finally :)
]CR[ce]
;W[bf]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: qui sont les joueurs? (à part ça, blanc n'est
pas si mal :-)
ChampFr2 [-\]: regarde mes infos Denis
f3etoiles [?\]: merci
]CR[bf]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[mc]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: il faut savoir que c'est dans ce genre de positions
apparemment désespérées que Pierre a ses plus belles idées
]CR[mc]
;B[lb]
C[sita [2d\]: b accepted that w isn't killable...
obs [10k\]: qui est champfr2commentateur
f3etoiles [?\]: he probably did not accept it easily :-)
domi [1k?\]: Denis, better in english I think
f3etoiles [?\]: ok :-) I did shift to English
bass [2k\]: k16 will hurt
f3etoiles [?\]: blck is in deep trouble
ChampFr2 [-\]: result of other broadcasted game : Séailles (w)
won by resignation against Imamura
domi [1k?\]: do you think Pierre though all this sequence when
he played G13 ?
bass [2k\]: :-)
deft [4d\]: no, I think he was gambling
f3etoiles [?\]: not his style
]CR[lb]
;W[ff]CR[ff]

;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[de]
C[bass [2k\]: if he had, the thinking would have been before g13,
not after it :-)
f3etoiles [?\]: usually, he has planned a lot of sequences
deft [4d\]: B is alive, though
]CR[de]
;B[nb]
C[deft [4d\]: on one side...
sita [2d\]: but it was a success for w anyway.
domi [1k?\]: f3etoiles, maybe you can present yourself as a commentary
or kibbitz specialist ?
deft [4d\]: big success
bass [2k\]: b alive on _that_ side
sita [2d\]: yes, a w move around c7 is now asked for...
bass [2k\]: otoh, the other side has j10 group to harrass
deft [4d\]: I'm a bit surprised W didn't go for killing the entire
B group...
sita [2d\]: but with the b group being weak nearby, h10 has nothing
to fear
domi [1k?\]: oh smurf est arrivé ! coucou :)
minismurf [3d?\]: good morning domismurf :)
]CR[nb]
;W[cm]
C[sita [2d\]: yes, it's a cool way of playing by w (the last moves,
i.e.) :)
]CR[cm]
;B[gm]CR[gm]
;W[im]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: black enters byo-yomi
ChampFr2 [-\]: time remaining to white : 14 min
PetaWilson [8k\]: hm, i thought b enters moyo
f3etoiles [?\]: black has time and space troubles
vlindertje [7k\]: yeah
Eliel [3k\]: oui f3etoiles... c pas bon ca :-)
Eliel [3k\]: un petit n3 ou p5 et noir est mal
f3etoiles [?\]: black must find a way to attck w k11 group, or
else...
vlindertje [7k\]: yeah
vlindertje [7k\]: but how
f3etoiles [?\]: g4?
vlindertje [7k\]: it is almost connected to the lower part
ChampFr2 [-\]: important result : Jean Michel won against David
Wu and may be finalist
ChampFr2 [-\]: his last game will probably be broadcasted this
afternoon
vlindertje [7k\]: intersting
]CR[im]
;B[go]
C[PetaWilson [8k\]: last round in about one hour?
domi [1k?\]: remember B played F10 and not F11 - so now can we
say F11 would have been better ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: 2 hours PW
Eliel [3k\]: petite question au scriptes: depuis cb de temps les
parties du championnat de france sont elles retransmises sur
KGS? Et le sont elles ailleurs (sur IGS par ex?)
PetaWilson [8k\]: thx CF
ChampFr2 [-\]: 1h30 sorry
]CR[go]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[in]
C[PetaWilson [8k\]: ok :-)
ChampFr [-\]: hello, i am gentil
]CR[in]
;W[gk]CR[gk]

;B[fl]
C[domi [1k?\]: did you win gentil ?
ChampFr [-\]: yes
ChampFr [-\]: 4/7
domi [1k?\]: against who ?
ChampFr [-\]: daniel berthelet
domi [1k?\]: oh easy win
f3etoiles [?\]: ha ha
ChampFr [-\]: tiens, denis !
ChampFr [-\]: t'es pas venu ?
ChampFr [-\]:  t'as eu peur ?
]CR[fl]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[io]CR[io]
;W[hm]
C[ChampFr [-\]: noguchi motoki won against bernard helmstetter
f3etoiles [?\]: m'en parles pas :-) C'était pour faire une fleur
à monique
ChampFr [-\]: ah :)
]CR[hm]
;B[gn]
C[ChampFr [-\]:  monique est en train de perdre contre bejamin
domi [1k?\]: now we can say W is going to win, right ?
]CR[gn]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[em]
C[ChampFr [-\]: W has a better game
f3etoiles [?\]: still some chances for black
ChampFr [-\]: but still a weak group in center
deft [4d\]: nothing is for sure in amateur go
ChampFr [-\]: farid is not really amateur
ChampFr [-\]: and colmez cant beat some pros
]CR[em]
;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[kn]CR[kn]

;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[ln]
C[ChampFr [-\]: they are playing fast and hit stones very hard on
board
f3etoiles [?\]: k8
]CR[ln]
;B[do]
C[ChampFr [-\]: if k8, l9
f3etoiles [?\]: (l8, I mean)
deft [4d\]: gentil, are you still there?
ChampFr [-\]: yes
noir [1k\]: l8 interesting?
deft [4d\]: why did W play S16 so early in the game?
Eliel [3k\]: why didn't he (white) played D5 earlier?
ChampFr [-\]: s16 is very big
deft [4d\]: I don't understand it... such a low move, while he
had stones under attack on the outside
deft [4d\]: yes, it's very big, but it's still a yose, isn't it?
domi [1k?\]: Eliel try options and analyze 
ChampFr [-\]: not really a yose : it secure a life
vlindertje [7k\]: also
]CR[do]
;W[en]
C[ChampFr [-\]: e6 is superb
vlindertje [7k\]: lets fight some more
]CR[en]
;B[dn]
C[sita [2d\]: what a move!
Eliel [3k\]: yes, great move i didn't think of!
f3etoiles [?\]: or wrong :-)
]CR[dn]
;W[dm]
C[deft [4d\]: If S16 wasn't there, what would be the killing move?
I can't see it...
ChampFr [-\]: it would not be a killing move, but b can close
the corner in sente
ChampFr [-\]:  and w has only 2 points
f3etoiles [?\]: d8
]CR[dm]
;B[dl]
C[deft [4d\]: so S16 is an 'endgame' move worth 20pt, then?
f3etoiles [?\]: more
ChampFr [-\]: ask f3etoile for this :  he is specialist in endgame
counting
bass [2k\]: the shinogi seemed to work well, though
ChampFr [-\]: c8 ?
domi [1k?\]: is that true Denis ? are you specialist of endgame
?
ChampFr [-\]: he is specialist only on that :)
f3etoiles [?\]: no, no, ii do life and death also
]CR[dl]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[cn]
C[ChampFr [-\]:  that's why i beat him all the time : i managed
not to arrive in endgame
]CR[cn]
;W[bm]CR[bm]

;B[bn]
C[deft [4d\]: :-)
]CR[bn]
;W[an]CR[an]
;B[eo]
C[domi [1k?\]: tsumego is his speciality and commentary too
]CR[eo]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[ki]
C[sita [2d\]: w did it!
ChampFr2 [-\]: black almost lost on time, now ha can take 15 new
stones!
]CR[ki]
;W[jh]
C[ChampFr [-\]: black says :  it's better now
]CR[jh]
;B[kk]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: how much time does w have?
bass [2k\]: not L8?
ChampFr2 [-\]: 6 min before byo-yomi
PetaWilson [8k\]: only one eye?
vlindertje [7k\]: m3 is big now
]CR[kk]
;W[jl]
C[ChampFr [-\]: m3 ?  it's like a losing move
vlindertje [7k\]: around m 3
minismurf [3d?\]: it may be big, but it's not at all the focus
of the game
vlindertje [7k\]: if the groups are secure it seems big
deft [4d\]: M3 completely misses the point...
sita [2d\]: problem is the life of the middle w group.
vlindertje [7k\]: why?
domi [1k?\]: I can't see how B can win this game
sita [2d\]: killing w :)
deft [4d\]: exactly, vlindertje, but the groups are not secure
vlindertje [7k\]: oh
ChampFr [-\]: what happen if w p17 ?
f3etoiles [?\]: doesn't work yet
ChampFr [-\]: pk ?
Eliel [3k\]: and p18
]CR[jl]
;B[kq]
C[bass [2k\]: w has sente eye at k16
deft [4d\]: gentil, I thought W could kill all B stones by playing
F14 at N18...
sita [2d\]: w maybe l8 now
]CR[kq]
;W[kr]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: seems black thinks it is or dead, or alive without
discussion
sita [2d\]: mh, w has no problem with his nervers... :)
ChampFr [-\]: i just arrive: cannot comment on earlier moves
deft [4d\]: OK
]CR[kr]

;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[jr]
C[deft [4d\]: it was a very interesting fight in upper left, I didn't
understand half of it ...
ChampFr [-\]: colmez is expert in dog fighting
f3etoiles [?\]: n3?
]CR[jr]
;B[kd]
C[noir [1k\]: dog fighting?
]CR[kd]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[mq]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: l 8 and white is certainly alive?
PetaWilson [8k\]: L8 maybe
ChampFr [-\]: o15
f3etoiles [?\]: but then n5 is big
noir [1k\]: white is dying?
]CR[mq]
;W[ne]
C[ChampFr [-\]: hehe
PetaWilson [8k\]: big enough to live
]CR[ne]
;B[ml]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: l 8 seems like a keypoint to me
]CR[ml]
;W[mm]
C[deft [4d\]: P17 some bad aji?
ChampFr [-\]: w is alive now
PetaWilson [8k\]: alive now i guess
PetaWilson [8k\]: L8 and N14 miai
ChampFr [-\]: o17 is better for living in sente
]CR[mm]

;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[km]
C[ChampFr [-\]: oh oh
vlindertje [7k\]: oops
bass [2k\]: whoops
]CR[km]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
;B[om]
C[deft [4d\]: N18 O17 is still sente
sita [2d\]: o17 seems sente, or not?
PetaWilson [8k\]: still ok
vlindertje [7k\]: now he has to play  o 17
ChampFr [-\]: kikashi first
f3etoiles [?\]: yes
]CR[om]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[nc]CR[nc]

;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rc]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: w wins
vlindertje [7k\]: big move
]CR[rc]
;B[ib]
C[PetaWilson [8k\]: looks close to me
vlindertje [7k\]: it is close
ChampFr [-\]: s9 is very big
f3etoiles [?\]: yes (10 pts for w)
]CR[ib]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rk]
C[deft [4d\]: Looks like W lead 20pt to me... maybe I counted wrong?
vlindertje [7k\]: 20 pt
vlindertje [7k\]: doesn't seem so much to me
PetaWilson [8k\]: well score est says it`s close
deft [4d\]: yeah, right...
ChampFr [-\]: b is thinkg on resign 
PetaWilson [8k\]: :-)
vlindertje [7k\]: black doesn't have much
dreck [30k?\]: c tjrs pas fini ?
Eliel [3k\]: how do you know what is he thinking of CampfFr???
]CR[rk]
;B[ee]
C[ChampFr [-\]: :)
deft [4d\]: gentil is 9 dan mind reader ;-)
Eliel [3k\]: :-)
PetaWilson [8k\]: is this sente?
ChampFr [-\]: yes it is
minismurf [3d?\]: Score-Est doesn't understand that a lot of the
big endgame are single-handed sente for white
f3etoiles [?\]: big enough
deft [4d\]: in fact he barely knows how to play go, he's just
reading his opponent's mind ^_^
]CR[ee]
;W[ed]
C[ChampFr [-\]: :)
bass [2k\]: :-)
Eliel [3k\]: lol
ChampFr [-\]: c12
minismurf [3d?\]: :)
ChampFr [-\]: i read c12
]CR[ed]
;B[bh]
C[Eliel [3k\]: qq chose me dit que gentil devrait particiuper a
qui veut gagner des millions :-)
]CR[bh]
;W[cg]
C[ChampFr [-\]: r6
dreck [30k?\]: pkoi ?
]CR[cg]

;B[cl]
C[Eliel [3k\]: parce que c un 9e dan mind reader ;-)
]CR[cl]
;W[sb]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: white enters byo-yomi
dreck [30k?\]: lol
PetaWilson [8k\]: what moyo?
PetaWilson [8k\]: ah ic
bass [2k\]: byo-moyo :-)
]CR[sb]
;B[qb]
C[deft [4d\]: B's endgame is very good, but W managed to win the
game before it entered the endgame :-)
dreck [30k?\]: I think they are tired
ChampFr [-\]: b is very god in endgame : he won me by 3.5 while
he has a lost game
PetaWilson [8k\]: hm, not finished yet
]CR[qb]
;W[ls]CR[ls]
;B[mr]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: what was the timing of the game? 1.5 hours each
and what byo-yomi?
]CR[mr]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[sm]
C[sould3mon [28k?\]: 1:15 and 15 s  5 m
ChampFr [-\]: benjamin 3d won against monique 2d
vlindertje [7k\]: thx
javamal [2d\]: r5 ?
]CR[sm]
;W[qo]
C[Eliel [3k\]: great R5!
ChampFr [-\]: tombarello 2d won against lebeerre bruno
ChampFr [-\]: dinh won against hisjogue
javamal [2d\]: hard time for black
vlindertje [7k\]: yeah
]CR[qo]

;B[pn]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: r5 is great
ChampFr [-\]: i said that r6 is big
PetaWilson [8k\]: results at webpage?
ChampFr [-\]: still not
deft [4d\]: R5 is normal move, isn't it?
vlindertje [7k\]: q6 is also good
ChampFr [-\]: normal move is q6
Eliel [3k\]: not to me deft :-)
PetaWilson [8k\]: what about the empty triangle here
Eliel [3k\]: that why i'm just a 3k :-)
sita [2d\]: q6 would have been beter than r5?
]CR[pn]
;W[qq]
C[sita [2d\]: why is w playing so risky, with this lead?
ChampFr [-\]: r3 will confuse b, who is short in time
deft [4d\]: agree, sita, he probably can't help himself...
vlindertje [7k\]: that is not polite
vlindertje [7k\]: but if one canwin with it
ChampFr [-\]: both are short in time
]CR[qq]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[po]
C[ChampFr [-\]: antoine fenech is playing againts his teacher :)
ChampFr [-\]: frederic donzet
]CR[po]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[rq]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: black lost on time
bass [2k\]: damn
deft [4d\]: it's lost anyway...
Eliel [3k\]: :-(
vlindertje [7k\]: but he was losing anyway?
BigDoug [28k?\]: too bad
domi [1k?\]: Pierre is too strong
ChampFr2 [-\]: so Pierre Colmez and Motoki Noguchi are the only
players with 6 wins/7games
vlindertje [7k\]: how wuold that have ended in teh lower right?
domi [1k?\]: yes he was vlinder
PetaWilson [8k\]: they will play each other?
domi [1k?\]: but Noguchi can't be french champion
bass [2k\]: d3 would have been interesting..
BigDoug [28k?\]: does anyone know who would have finished better
in the lower right?
ChampFr2 [-\]: they have already played, Colmez won by 0.5
deft [4d\]: W would make life or connect  in lower right
PetaWilson [8k\]: ah ic thx again
BigDoug [28k?\]: thanks deft
vlindertje [7k\]: so it would have been good for white anyway
BigDoug [28k?\]: thanks for putting the game up for us, ChampFr
deft [4d\]: haha, you think I really know for sure ^_^
vlindertje [7k\]: yeah thx champ
domi [1k?\]: bye all :))
BigDoug [28k?\]: cheers domi
]CR[rq]
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