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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:10.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Imamura]
PW[Seailles]
DT[2002-08-25]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
KM[5.5]
RU[AGA]

C[ChampFr [-\]: white is Jeff Seailles, french champion 2000
ChampFr [-\]: black is Imamura Toru (playing as Toru on KGS, and
wearing KGS hat)
ChampFr [-\]: players have 1h15, and the byo-yomi is 15 stones
in 5 minutes
sould3mon [28k?\]: champ goodmorning :) 
ChampFr [-\]: we are waiting for white...
ChampFr [-\]: good morning 
vlindertje [7k\]: what are the ranks of the players?
Saiya [12k\]: I think 5d
ChampFr [-\]: white is a french 6d
ChampFr [-\]: black is a french 4d
ChampFr [-\]: (on kgs, black is 6d)
Cody [13k\]: according to web site toru is 5d
ChampFr [-\]: yes, right below the 6 dan limit
Cody [13k\]: ah
ChampFr [-\]: both players had games broadcasted yesterday
ChampFr [-\]: the game has to start
ChampFr [-\]: white is still not there
]CA[UTF-8];B[dp]
C[ChampFr [-\]: white arrives
]CR[dp]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]

;B[of]CR[of]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[dd]CR[dd]

;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[ci]CR[ci]

;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cj]
C[silly [3k\]: seems like b has the better position?
vlindertje [7k\]: i believe so
vlindertje [7k\]: lots of influence in middle upper
vlindertje [7k\]: but g 16 looks dangerous
reincarnat [5k\]: white has lots of cash
vlindertje [7k\]: yeah, but b influence compenstaes that
vlindertje [7k\]: i believe
]CR[cj]
;W[gd]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: iwill be hard for white to take much in upper
middle (in my humble opinion)
vlindertje [7k\]: wow
Bastaman [11k\]: maybe with this?
vlindertje [7k\]: i was correct :)
Bastaman [11k\]: goed zo!
Bastaman [11k\]: :)
vlindertje [7k\]: yeah :-)
Bastaman [11k\]: guess next plz?
vlindertje [7k\]: but i want to see what b is doing
vlindertje [7k\]: g 15, h 15, h 16
Bastaman [11k\]: we'll see...
vlindertje [7k\]: h 15 looks bad to me
vlindertje [7k\]: so one of the other two
noj [4d?\]: white kann use the cut to get some forcing moves and
then reduce from the outside. There is no need to hang on the
cutting stone , Just aji
Bastaman [11k\]: cool
vlindertje [7k\]: so what will happen then, tenuki?
noj [4d?\]: no tenuki would be a disaster, imagine white h16,
j 17, then shicho
vlindertje [7k\]: hm yes
vlindertje [7k\]: so how will b respond?
vlindertje [7k\]: atari ?
vlindertje [7k\]: i feel more for h 16 now
int0x21 [16k\]: h16 feels like it leaves even more cutts
int0x21 [16k\]: h16 - g15 - f14 - h17
noj [4d?\]: i wonder, if the black sacrifice of the two stones
was really clever, he gave a lot of profit, but still had bad
aji. 
]CR[gd]

;B[ge]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: yeah
vlindertje [7k\]: oh the other one
]CR[ge]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[ic]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: seems like he is going for the center
croissant [9k\]: E14 has big aji 
]CR[ic]
;W[kh]
C[noj [4d?\]: now it´s very difficult for black. Just to defend
is to small in scale
ChampFr [-\]: black seems to be hesitating
zic9942 [-\]: there is little concentration on lower parts of
board
vlindertje [7k\]: nice move
vlindertje [7k\]: destroying influence
vlindertje [7k\]: no, but destroying the potential of a moyo
]CR[kh]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[kj]
C[zic9942 [-\]: tien yuan side?
vlindertje [7k\]: black should make soml
]CR[kj]
;B[fq]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: some territory
vlindertje [7k\]: hehe
vlindertje [7k\]: seems laike black is behind
noj [4d?\]: I agree,but we are all amateurs. still everything
can happen
vlindertje [7k\]: that is true
]CR[fq]
;W[cp]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: he is 5 or 6 d
]CR[cp]
;B[co]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: and they can do more than we
noj [4d?\]: i once thought, as a 4d I wouldn´t play so many stupid
moves. Illusion!!!!
utwig [1d\]: the stronger we get, the more we realise just how
stupid our moves are ;-)
noj [4d?\]: but don´t tell the weaker players. It might discourage
them.
AussieRoo [24k?\]: !
utwig [1d\]: alright :-)
vlindertje [7k\]: yeah that is true
vlindertje [7k\]: that is why playing a weaker player is so hard
vlindertje [7k\]: u see the mistakes in your moves
vlindertje [7k\]: and u hope he doesn't realize taht
vlindertje [7k\]: :-)
utwig [1d\]: heh
noj [4d?\]: is there an alternative to d3?
]CR[co]
;W[kq]
C[utwig [1d\]: white seems to think so :-)
noj [4d?\]: ok, it is
]CR[kq]

;B[qn]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: pincer pincer
RtheJackal [25k\]: that is the obvious response
noj [4d?\]: a pincer would let p14 look really good! close the
corner!!
]CR[qn]
;W[bq]
C[utwig [1d\]: never seen that one
sita [2d\]: me neither
ChampFr [-\]: Fred Donzet came and seemed puzzled by b3...
]CR[bq]
;B[bo]
C[utwig [1d\]: well...hes not the only one :-)
ChampFr [-\]: both players left
ChampFr [-\]: and white is back
]CR[bo]
;W[dq]
C[sita [2d\]: Chos Dict. doesn't know this move either :)
sita [2d\]: Can w live, after b e3?
vlindertje [7k\]: maybe
vlindertje [7k\]: maybe not
utwig [1d\]: I'd say ko at best, but not totally sure
Hu [10k\]: B E3, W C2, white lives?
]CR[dq]
;B[eq]
C[utwig [1d\]: b d2 next then
]CR[eq]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[do]
C[sita [2d\]: d2
]CR[do]
;W[er]
C[sita [2d\]: mh, this looks like ko
utwig [1d\]: yeah, its ko
sita [2d\]: so, d2 does not live
ckbradley [3d\]: no i think e2 after c2 kills or?
ckbradley [3d\]: no ko
sita [2d\]: however, now the ko seems quite obvious
ckbradley [3d\]: yes now of course.. only move
sita [2d\]: And that's worse than what w could have got, if he
played a "normal" move, I think.
silly [3k\]: looks like w has more ko threats?
]CR[er]
;B[fr]
C[sita [2d\]: yes, seems b thinks so, too.
sita [2d\]: so, it's not worse... :)
sita [2d\]: or, is it still not alive...
]CR[fr]
;W[qp]
C[noj [4d?\]: its still ko i think, but black profits if he exchanges
f2 for c2. that might help dealing with the aji of the cutting
stone
silly [3k\]: think its dead
vlindertje [7k\]: c 2 kills it
sita [2d\]: of course, it't only ko if w plays first.
utwig [1d\]: lots of things kill it now, but that is not an intereting
puzzle ;-)
]CR[qp]

;B[kl]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: white is waiting for a better time for a ko 
that is all
sita [2d\]: yes
]CR[kl]
;W[ko]
C[sita [2d\]: b cannot make <20 points in gote. Especially, as it
is ko anyway.
silly [3k\]: this is interesting game
]CR[ko]
;B[ji]
C[ChampFr [-\]: remaining time before byo yomi : 48 min for white,
40 min for black
]CR[ji]
;W[ki]CR[ki]
;B[ik]
C[ChampFr [-\]: Pierre Colmez is having a look....
sita [2d\]: If I had played k11 etc. at all, I had played on the
other side (m11). Isn't b making territory out of influence?
utwig [1d\]: feels that way, yeah
]CR[ik]
;W[pk]
C[sita [2d\]: well, maybe it's so much territory that it is ok.
utwig [1d\]: perhps :-)
vlindertje [7k\]: i hope so for black
vlindertje [7k\]: or he loses
noj [4d?\]: but j9 also serves to attack the three black stones.
noj [4d?\]: sorry I mean the 3 white stones
utwig [1d\]: yeah, but its not as though they will run that direction
silly [3k\]: b has to do something with r6 now
silly [3k\]: urgent?
Hu [10k\]: Yes.  or other choice, come in between Q9 and L11?
noj [4d?\]: but attacking from the other side in this position
will probably mean, that blacks potntial territory vanishes completely
utwig [1d\]: i suppose so
sita [2d\]: yes, maybe my go is sometimes a bit too dogmatic..
:(
noj [4d?\]: on the right side it will be very dificult for both
to get points
]CR[pk]
;B[ok]
C[noj [4d?\]: black is feeling behind, if he plays like that
]CR[ok]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[nk]CR[nk]

;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[nl]
C[silly [3k\]: looks scary for b
ckbradley [3d\]: black is alive
silly [3k\]: on right side?
ckbradley [3d\]: yeah
noj [4d?\]: to many cuts in the white position
]CR[nl]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[oi]
C[noj [4d?\]: no one wants to compromise
ckbradley [3d\]: yeah hehe
ckbradley [3d\]: too big for both sides though
sita [2d\]: o11 seems about to be the only move, or not?
]CR[oi]
;B[nh]
C[sita [2d\]: oops, o12... :)
sita [2d\]: someone has a ruler for me? ;-)
ChampFr [-\]: white : "what are you planning ?"
ChampFr [-\]: black "ruin all that"
ChampFr [-\]: both laugh
]CR[nh]
;W[oh]
C[silly [3k\]: p13?
]CR[oh]
;B[ng]
C[noj [4d?\]: gives white good forcing moves helping his centre
goup
ckbradley [3d\]: center group is a bit in trouble or?
]CR[ng]
;W[mk]
C[ChampFr [-\]: white has 35 mins left, black has 25 mins
]CR[mk]

;B[om]
C[noj [4d?\]: what about fffering a trade instead of connecting
at n9
]CR[om]
;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[np]
C[Hu [10k\]: Is B trying to secure life for P7 before trying cut
at M6 L6 L7 ?
ckbradley [3d\]: b is getting life by attacking 
noj [4d?\]: that´s the natural flow
]CR[np]
;W[ln]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: but the thing about the trade.. that's what i
actually thought would happen
noj [4d?\]: but I wasn´t able to see, who would profit
]CR[ln]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[nn]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: question is can black actually be killed at right
ckbradley [3d\]: if yes white benefits
]CR[nn]
;W[lo]
C[noj [4d?\]: there is still r9 and sente moves against the corner.
as long as black plays seriously (he supposed to do, or?) Icannot
imagine his group to die
]CR[lo]

;B[op]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: yeah good question mark
ckbradley [3d\]: anyway i would have traded :-) easier game maybe
noj [4d?\]: you know the mood in tournaments, I see :-)
]CR[op]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[pn]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: i think he must sacrifice
]CR[pn]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[qm]CR[qm]

;B[qr]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: guess not
]CR[qr]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[ps]CR[ps]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rn]
C[Ferrari [2k?\]: who is white? Toru?
ChampFr [-\]: see my informations
]CR[rn]
;W[rs]
C[Ferrari [2k?\]: thx gluie
ChampFr [-\]: I'll tell her
vlindertje [7k\]: got you
]CR[rs]

;B[qs]
C[Ferrari [2k?\]: skak?
Ferrari [2k?\]: skal?
vlindertje [7k\]: nicely done
]CR[qs]
;W[rm]
C[vlindertje [7k\]: white has to defend the corner
PetaWilson [8k\]: b has to defend his group too
]CR[rm]
;B[pg]
C[Halli [1k?\]: how about black r9 instead of r1?
Halli [1k?\]: was there something... at least it looked quite
complicated for me..
vlindertje [7k\]: n2?
]CR[pg]
;W[mr]
C[ckbradley [3d\]: yeah
ckbradley [3d\]: this i gotta see
vlindertje [7k\]: or is there something i don't see?
Ferrari [2k?\]: Q10?
PetaWilson [8k\]: looks dead to me ?
Hu [10k\]: T3 monkey jump?
Hu [10k\]: with P6 to reduce liberties.
sita [2d\]: t3 -> t2
sita [2d\]: oh no
PetaWilson [8k\]: does not seem to work, but maybe something else
sita [2d\]: s3 should be enough.
ckbradley [3d\]: i can't believe what black did
ChampFr [-\]: black resigns
ckbradley [3d\]: of course
noj [4d?\]: lapse of concentratio
vlindertje [7k\]: yes
ckbradley [3d\]: geez
vlindertje [7k\]: o2 is more dangerous
ckbradley [3d\]: same
ChampFr [-\]: (these last moves were considered by the players,
but they did not carry on)
vlindertje [7k\]: this is not common
vlindertje [7k\]: that such a big group die in a game between
good players? or is it common?
vlindertje [7k\]: i don't know sure
noj [4d?\]: but a great fighing game. they did their best for
the onlooker´s sake
ckbradley [3d\]: except last move
ckbradley [3d\]: :-)
noj [4d?\]: shit happens
ckbradley [3d\]: yup
]CR[mr]

(;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
)
(;B[tt]))
