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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:10.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Colmez]
PW[Michel]
DT[2002-08-25]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
KM[5.5]
RU[AGA]
RE[B+R]

C[PetaWilson [8k\]: beautifull hat
domi [1k?\]: so it seems they will be a little late
ChampFr2 [-\]: hi all
Codexus [18k\]: hi :)
domi [1k?\]: hello ! phéno ?
domi [1k?\]: Skal ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: This game is Jean Michel 4d (5 wins / 7 games),
white vs Pierre Colmez 5d (6 wins / 7 games), black
ChampFr2 [-\]: both can qualify for the final
javamal [2d\]: encore une partie qui va se jouer dans le yose
:-)
domi [1k?\]: So we are going to see the famous Colmez fuseki :-p
PetaWilson [8k\]: nope , pc has w
Codexus [18k\]: no he's b
domi [1k?\]: Peta ? need sleep ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: alloted time is 1h15 / player and 15 stones in
5 minutes in overtime
PetaWilson [8k\]: ah ic , sorry
PetaWilson [8k\]: my mistake :-(
domi [1k?\]: so again Champ are you pheno or Skal ou someone else
?
ChampFr2 [-\]: so far two players with 6 wins, Colmez and Noguchi
domi [1k?\]: here on the net, we need human things you understand
?
ChampFr2 [-\]: but Noguchi isn't French and can't qualify for
the final
ChampFr2 [-\]: three players with 5 wins : Farid Ben Malek, Stéphane
Dhur and Jean Michel, 
ChampFr2 [-\]: all can qualify for the final 
ChampFr2 [-\]: Jean Michel is next to me, we are waiting for Pierre
Colmez
PetaWilson [8k\]: so are we
]CA[UTF-8];B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[cj]
C[Acro [11k\]: kind of a very odd pseudo-Chinese?
javamal [2d\]: jean michel is playing colmez fuseki ?
domi [1k?\]: no, this is the Colmez fuseki ;-)
ChampFr2 [-\]: no, he's w
]CR[cj]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[df]CR[df]

;B[cg]
C[javamal [2d\]: ok :-)
Shinogi [-\]: b too flat
PetaWilson [8k\]: but solid
Acro [11k\]: so this is Pierre Colmez's speciality?
Acro [11k\]: salut, whoever the relayer is :)
domi [1k?\]: he always plays that with B
]CR[cg]
;W[dc]
C[domi [1k?\]: pro when seing this fuseki smile but we don't know
what this smile means
]CR[dc]
;B[ed]
C[javamal [2d\]: there's a rumor  saying Colmez copy this fuseki
from jerokfor
]CR[ed]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[db]
C[domi [1k?\]: lol
Acro [11k\]: r10 now?
Acro [11k\]: or is there an urgent move on the left?
]CR[db]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[ce]
C[domi [1k?\]: so White choosed to make life and avoid complicated
variations
PetaWilson [8k\]: i don`t think this looks good for white, b strong
on both sides
]CR[ce]
;B[nc]
C[domi [1k?\]: so he was already, wasn't he Peta ?
PetaWilson [8k\]: right domi
javamal [2d\]: still black has  some defect at d15, looks playable
for both
]CR[nc]
;W[pj]
C[jmg [-\]: que vois-je
jmg [-\]: �a kibitz ferme ici :-)
Apple [-\]: salut jm
domi [1k?\]: yes and in english - hmmm we try ^^
]CR[pj]

;B[pg]
C[jmg [-\]: salut
jmg [-\]: ic, even more challenging :-)
PetaWilson [8k\]: so the fighting starts
]CR[pg]
;W[nd]
C[domi [1k?\]: the fight started before the game began no ?
]CR[nd]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pc]
C[domi [1k?\]: oh there are many trick moves with this shape
PetaWilson [8k\]: :-)
domi [1k?\]: but they both played these tricks many times so....
:-))
]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[pe]
C[PetaWilson [8k\]: b looks good on the upperside
javamal [2d\]: n16 ?
]CR[pe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]

;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[lc]
C[gedeon [?\]: pierre tricked farid ith this move in Berder
domi [1k?\]: W was waiting for S15
]CR[lc]
;W[mb]
C[domi [1k?\]: and he tricked Paul too
]CR[mb]
;B[mc]
C[gedeon [?\]: and myself
domi [1k?\]: But Jean tricked many players in blitz with that
jmg [-\]: which year ? ;-)
domi [1k?\]: who are you ?
jmg [-\]: I am I :-)
PetaWilson [8k\]: it`s nice to be :-)
jmg [-\]: definitely :-)
domi [1k?\]: R17 ?
javamal [2d\]: jmg is a former insei from coetquidan go school
:-)
jmg [-\]: haha :-)
jmg [-\]: very few happy fews there :-)
Apple [-\]: aaaaaaarg
jmg [-\]: but u'r wrong
jmg [-\]:  was no insei, but sensei :-)
javamal [2d\]: yes, that's a pity they split from nihon kiin in
1925 :-)
jmg [-\]: indeed :-)
dosaku [4k?\]: but they keep in touch?
jmg [-\]: fron time to time
javamal [2d\]: hey ChampFr2, could you move behind jean michel
shoulder and gently whispers "there's only one move" ?
]CR[mc]
;W[qc]
C[javamal [2d\]: too late ;:-)
jmg [-\]: I just got jis answer
jmg [-\]: his
jmg [-\]: f*** :-)
dosaku [4k?\]: hm, surely this captures the corner
ChampFr2 [-\]: f*** was on kgs this morning, during round 7
jmg [-\]: good boy :-)
Eliel [3k\]: not so surely dosaku!
]CR[qc]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[qg]
C[Eliel [3k\]: here we are!
]CR[qg]

;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rd]
C[jmg [-\]: troublesome
domi [1k?\]: so W avoided the trick
]CR[rd]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[pa]CR[pa]

;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[qa]
C[dosaku [4k?\]: hm, so both live
]CR[qa]
;B[se]
C[Acro [11k\]: life in gote, though
Acro [11k\]: for both sides :)
Acro [11k\]: which makes it sente for W I guess
jmg [-\]: so sente for w then :-)
domi [1k?\]: W avoided the trick, so this is not so nice for B
;-))
Eliel [3k\]: lol... gote for both sides :-)
Apple [-\]: good for white
]CR[se]
;W[fq]
C[jmg [-\]: who's lol ? :-)
Apple [-\]: he is mdr on igs
jmg [-\]: no ki
jmg [-\]: no kidding :-)
Acro [11k\]: apple. :)
Acro [11k\]: and "rofl" on the Korean servers?
jmg [-\]: guess so
Eliel [3k\]: re lol :-)
]CR[fq]
;B[ip]
C[domi [1k?\]: deft you missed the beginning with the famous Colmez
fuseki
jmg [-\]: by the way, met ptdr once 
deft [4d\]: I reviewed it now, domi...
Eliel [3k\]: you review the colmez ben malek game deft?
deft [4d\]: I watched that while it was broadcast, Eliel
]CR[ip]
;W[dn]
C[Eliel [3k\]: me too, but after the famous fuseki :-)
]CR[dn]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[eq]CR[eq]

;B[do]CR[do]
;W[go]
C[Eliel [3k\]: so I would be happy to review this game, and with
comments, its better :-)
domi [1k?\]: no no Eliel the famous fuseki can only be played
with B
domi [1k?\]: and this morning Pierre was white
deft [4d\]: I just came back, so I missed the fuseki of this game
(which is what domi meant I presume), but I just went through
the first move to see how we got to where we are now...
Eliel [3k\]: anyway.. if this game is reviewed, I would be gald
to see it :-)
deft [4d\]: Colmez is a bit of a fighter..
]CR[go]
;B[dq]
C[jmg [-\]: only a bit ? :-)
deft [4d\]: have you seen RoseDuke play on IGS?
domi [1k?\]: but you can do that by yourself Eliel with options
deft [4d\]: that's what I call a real fighter ;-)
Acro [11k\]: roseduke is Victor Chow?
deft [4d\]: yes Acro
jmg [-\]: ic :-)
dosaku [4k?\]: h3?
]CR[dq]
;W[hn]
C[Eliel [3k\]: but who is victor chow ? :-)
jmg [-\]: well, i guess Pierre is a mess maker :-)
ChampFr2 [-\]: Pierre told me he didn't forsee black geta in the
fight following the g11 cut this morning
domi [1k?\]: oh what a strange move
deft [4d\]: Rui Naiwei and Yi Se Dol are also very tough fighters...
Acro [11k\]: eliel: very strong South African player
Eliel [3k\]: thks acro
]CR[hn]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[jo]
C[jewel [22k\]: Acro: has he lived in SA all his life?
Eliel [3k\]: lee se dol.. very strong player...
deft [4d\]: Victor Chow is pro strength amateur, with a very personal
style of playing...
Eliel [3k\]: deft > ah?
Eliel [3k\]: do you known where i can find some sgfof his games
deft?
domi [1k?\]: deft he was there maybe last week but only for a
few games
deft [4d\]: there are probably some on gobase.org
Eliel [3k\]: ok i'll  check it out
deft [4d\]: and he has an account on KGS, so there should be some
games here
Eliel [3k\]: under which name deft?
]CR[jo]
;B[hq]
C[deft [4d\]: RoseDuke
]CR[hq]
;W[gq]
C[Eliel [3k\]: I'm stupid :-)
deft [4d\]: only one game, though, with kent1...
Eliel [3k\]: ok
hirakawade [3d\]: live game ?
ChampFr2 [-\]: yes, hirakawade
hirakawade [3d\]: thanks
]CR[gq]
;B[kp]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: see my info for details
xor [4k\]: there are more on KGS web archive
deft [4d\]: I think W is doing well...
domi [1k?\]: pfffffff
xor [4k\]: games of roseduke that is
domi [1k?\]: deft can you understand H6 ?
hirakawade [3d\]: Is the winner 3rd aword ?
Eliel [3k\]: hard to say deft... I don't know
deft [4d\]: nothing strange about H6.. has two good follow-up
moves, F6 and K5 so W is sure to get one of them..
hirakawade [3d\]: 3rd aword ------> 3rd award
ChampFr2 [-\]: after round 7 Colmez is 1st of the tournament
hirakawade [3d\]: ah so
deft [4d\]: but even if he loses this game, he might still win?
Eliel [3k\]: final is between 2 best?
ChampFr2 [-\]: the first two French players after 8 rounds qualify
for the final best-of-three in november
Apple [-\]: 2 best french
noir [1k\]: wf
ChampFr2 [-\]: in case of tie, SOS and SOSOS are used to determine
the final ranks
noir [1k\]: hat about 3 x 6 victories if stephane & jean michel
won?
noir [1k\]: what about
]CR[kp]
;W[mp]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: 2d is Noguchi Motoki with 6 wins, but not being
French he can't qualify for the final
ChampFr2 [-\]: he is playing with gentil right now
minismurf [3d?\]: *feels sorry for gentil*
ChampFr2 [-\]: (not broadcasted)
domi [1k?\]: :-)) smurf
deft [4d\]: L5
domi [1k?\]: L5 --> L6 and ?
deft [4d\]: M5
f3etoiles [?\]: too heavy
javamal [2d\]: don't worry, i'm sure we'll have a complete report
"why i should win this game" from gentil
domi [1k?\]: charming shape :-p
domi [1k?\]: N5 crazy ?
f3etoiles [?\]: no, l5 l6, k6 is barely possible
leif [2d?\]: b m5 w r5, I think
f3etoiles [?\]: m5 is very bad shape
noir [1k\]: tie = églité?
mik [10k?\]: sorry how to know who lpay black and white without
asking here ? :)
ChampFr2 [-\]: oui noir
deft [4d\]: M5 awful shape
f3etoiles [?\]: yes
ChampFr2 [-\]: see my info mik
javamal [2d\]: n3 ?
mik [10k?\]: ok thx
noir [1k\]: sos and sosos?
domi [1k?\]: and N5 ? (so strange ?)
f3etoiles [?\]: look at info for ChampFr2
deft [4d\]: N3 submissive
]CR[mp]

;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[io]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: sum of opponents scores - sum of opponents scores
of opponents scores
minismurf [3d?\]: :-)
domi [1k?\]: why didn't he cut ?
]CR[io]
;W[in]CR[in]
;B[mo]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: which cut?
watcher [-\]: sum of opponents sum of opponents score
minismurf [3d?\]: yes, sorry
minismurf [3d?\]: it was too confusing for me ;)
domi [1k?\]: M5 Denis
watcher [-\]: for me, too
noir [1k\]: thanks minismurf
sita [2d\]: k6 would have been the answer to the cut, I think.
f3etoiles [?\]: trouble on k6, k5, h7
deft [4d\]: I would be scared of W cutting directly after M6...
f3etoiles [?\]: no, b has too many ressources here
f3etoiles [?\]: this way, black is still in trouble
domi [1k?\]: hummm I saw K6 L7 J6
]CR[mo]
;W[np]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: J6, then there is still a cut at J5?
f3etoiles [?\]: yes
f3etoiles [?\]: well at hè
f3etoiles [?\]: h7
domi [1k?\]: yes smurf that's why he played like that 
]CR[np]
;B[lq]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: *confused*
domi [1k?\]:  <--- speak before thinking :)
]CR[lq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]

;B[lo]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: some people just speak and don't think at all,
i like your way better :)
f3etoiles [?\]: m4 is bad, usually
deft [4d\]: K3 is weak spot...
domi [1k?\]: you are so nice smurf :-)
f3etoiles [?\]: too early
]CR[lo]
;W[dk]
C[deft [4d\]: I didn't mean to play it right away
f3etoiles [?\]: but then, m4 is too early too
deft [4d\]: yes
]CR[dk]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[fk]
C[domi [1k?\]: hira are you drinking sake now ?
]CR[fk]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[ck]
C[deft [4d\]: K3 is actually quite dangerous, it takes away B eyes
along the edge, and there's a long way to run to safety...
]CR[ck]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[bo]
C[deft [4d\]: means you can count the whole right side as W territory,
'cause B can't afford to invade it...
]CR[bo]

;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[co]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: does white really get out with all his stones
after K3?
]CR[co]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[hh]
C[deft [4d\]: it's a ko, minismurf
f3etoiles [?\]: in fact, k3 can be answered at L3
deft [4d\]: K3 L3 J3
deft [4d\]: K3 K4 H2 J3 J2 K2 L2 is ko
f3etoiles [?\]: then h2
deft [4d\]: OK, so H2 is still the W move
f3etoiles [?\]: when?
deft [4d\]: K3 L3 H2, not much different from connecting K4
deft [4d\]: it's still a ko to make eyes
]CR[hh]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[ih]
C[deft [4d\]: or maybe even K3 L3 K2 better, then K4 and H2 are
miai, so there's not even a ko
]CR[ih]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[ii]
C[domi [1k?\]: next KGS client : a little window to show variations
?
]CR[ii]
;B[gh]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: that would be great, but it is hard to decide
who would be allowed to show them
watcher [-\]: everybody would have his own
domi [1k?\]: lol yes that's true 
watcher [-\]: like in cgoban1
domi [1k?\]: what do you mean watcher ?
watcher [-\]: "click edit, get a copy of the board"
domi [1k?\]: yes and ?
watcher [-\]: just that
domi [1k?\]: but you couldn't show it to other people ?
watcher [-\]: no
]CR[gh]
;W[nr]
C[xor [4k\]: well, you can already do that, options->view offline
]CR[nr]

;B[lm]
C[watcher [-\]: oh indeed ;)
sita [2d\]: next release, all the client needs is a better documentation
:)
]CR[lm]
;W[mi]
C[domi [1k?\]: ???
watcher [-\]: well, using a menu is very clusmy, especially with
java, which likes to open menus very far away from the mouse
watcher [-\]: but that's so far the only slight problem i detected
with the ergonomics of cgoban2
sita [2d\]: it was joke, becuse watcher's feature is allready
part of the client - only he didn't know.
watcher [-\]: and it's not fixable by wms, unfortunately
noir [1k\]: white is well?
domi [1k?\]: yes watcher ;-))
watcher [-\]: (otherwise it would probably have been fixed loooong
ago ;)
]CR[mi]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[ll]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: i never had any problems with the menus
f3etoiles [?\]: at first sight, w is very well indeed
watcher [-\]: minismurf: you don't use xinerama
domi [1k?\]: for the moment, Pierre had not have the opportunity
to show his reading and fighting hability
]CR[ll]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[ml]CR[ml]
;B[gn]
C[deft [4d\]: N11 was very surprising to me..
]CR[gn]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[gl]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: oh, but he just did: this begins a severe fight
domi [1k?\]: it comes ?
f3etoiles [?\]: see?
leif [2d?\]: not h8 ???
]CR[gl]
;W[ep]CR[ep]

;B[eo]
C[deft [4d\]: G8 is correct
f3etoiles [?\]: yes
]CR[eo]
;W[cm]
C[deft [4d\]: J8 now?
f3etoiles [?\]: black must attck for killing, now
]CR[cm]
;B[il]
C[deft [4d\]: K3
deft [4d\]: nah
f3etoiles [?\]: too late
f3etoiles [?\]: the ko is created
deft [4d\]: yes, it's too late
]CR[il]
;W[jq]
C[leif [2d?\]: big lost for w
]CR[jq]
;B[jp]
C[deft [4d\]: haha
domi [1k?\]: :-)))
]CR[jp]
;W[hr]
C[sita [2d\]: ko?
]CR[hr]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jr]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: not immediately. 
]CR[jr]
;W[hp]CR[hp]

;B[kq]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: first, the fight on the 2nd line
deft [4d\]: W is alive, though
]CR[kq]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[cr]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: are you sure :-)
deft [4d\]: not quite
deft [4d\]: F2 make ko?
domi [1k?\]: still a ko
f3etoiles [?\]: w is dead
]CR[cr]
;W[hm]
C[sita [2d\]: locally....
]CR[hm]
;B[hl]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: but hard to get our :-)
leif [2d?\]: yes, b l3 is weak now
f3etoiles [?\]: what???
f3etoiles [?\]: black is very strong, and still has the ko
f3etoiles [?\]: M8 was white overplay
f3etoiles [?\]: white is almost destroyed
sita [2d\]: but who could see *this* sequence comming after m8?
me not...
domi [1k?\]: Denis, une chanson, une chanson !!
]CR[hl]
;W[cs]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: this is typical of pierre's style
deft [4d\]: I think N11 was a losing move
f3etoiles [?\]: you must be very careful when you cut him
domi [1k?\]: agree deft , he played N11 very fast it seems
]CR[cs]
;B[br]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: Farid is currently watching this game, waiting
for his opponent move
f3etoiles [?\]: last chance for white, here
domi [1k?\]: c'est quoi "currently" ?
minismurf [3d?\]: right now
domi [1k?\]: merc :)
deft [4d\]: W has no move
deft [4d\]: too bad, he started out well...
hirakawade [3d\]: nearly end ?
domi [1k?\]: It ain't necessarily ko....
lathos [13k\]: Groan.
]CR[br]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[mm]
C[sita [2d\]: another ko?
]CR[mm]
;W[nm]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: no
sita [2d\]: which rules are being used, what happens in case of
a tripple ko? ;-)
ChampFr2 [-\]: French rules are like AGA rules
f3etoiles [?\]: french rules=ADA: superko is the rule
ChampFr2 [-\]: super-ko rule
hirakawade [3d\]: no game ?
jouni [16k\]: territory or area scoring?
minismurf [3d?\]: no-result is much better :)
Haboru [5d\]: somebody understands why B plays B2 instead of B1
?
f3etoiles [?\]: to prevent the ko
f3etoiles [?\]: (b1,e1, f2,b2
deft [4d\]: otherwise W can E1 to make F2 and B2 miai
Jay [26k\]: E2?
Haboru [5d\]: ? 
deft [4d\]: Colmez is not easily fooled :-)
f3etoiles [?\]: e1
]CR[nm]

;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
;B[im]CR[im]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[es]CR[es]
;W[jo]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: wow, are they playing this fast?
Acro [11k\]: turboko
domi [1k?\]: :-))
ChampFr2 [-\]: yes, hard for me to follow :)
Acro [11k\]: is h3 a local ko threat?
Acro [11k\]: or does l1 steal the eye on the edge?
Acro [11k\]: looks like it does.
]CR[jo]

;B[on]CR[on]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[ds]
C[deft [4d\]: D1 at F1 better IMO
f3etoiles [?\]: o8 will be played before
]CR[ds]
;B[bs]CR[bs]
;W[jo]
C[domi [1k?\]: is there a possible semeai ?
deft [4d\]: W loses it
Jay [26k\]: Semeai is?
minismurf [3d?\]: capturing race
Jay [26k\]: Thanz
sita [2d\]: so, b k8 now?
Haboru [5d\]: I think W miscalculated now
domi [1k?\]: so this ko is desesperate ?
lathos [13k\]: I don't understand why white didn't just play E2
and live.
minismurf [3d?\]: e2 doesn't live
bass [2k\]: no life..
javamal [2d\]: w is not alive after e2, b play g1
lathos [13k\]: That'd be why, then.
Haboru [5d\]: B E2 and over no ?
bass [2k\]: yes
javamal [2d\]: cut first at o8 ?
]CR[jo]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[jn]
C[Jay [26k\]: So is the white group dead?
]CR[jn]
;B[mr]
C[Haboru [5d\]: yes
deft [4d\]: yes
minismurf [3d?\]: yes
domi [1k?\]: yes
domi [1k?\]: lol
leif [2d?\]: :-)
Acro [11k\]: ok, so  this game's over then. :)
Jay [26k\]: Thanz all of u guyz
minismurf [3d?\]: any votes for no?
deft [4d\]: that's 12 dan telling you yes ;-)
Jay [26k\]: : )
minismurf [3d?\]: i would feel more comfortable if a 12 dan did
it though ;)
Acro [11k\]: takes six moves for B to win the semeai...
]CR[mr]
;W[oo]
C[deft [4d\]: lol, minismurf
Haboru [5d\]: G1
Jay [26k\]: Is there a 12 dan aniwae...
deft [4d\]: 9 dan is max
bass [2k\]: 10 is a tournament title
leif [2d?\]: 5d+4d+3d :-)
f3etoiles [?\]: not on KGS scale ;-)
minismurf [3d?\]: 12d is pretty hard on the updated kgs scale
Apple [-\]: 5d+4d+3d=5d
Acro [11k\]: no, = 2d
deft [4d\]: KGS doesn't pretend to rate anything above 7d.. it
just displays 7d?
domi [1k?\]: what about FunnyDelmann as a nick for you Denis ?
f3etoiles [?\]: already done
Acro [11k\]: it's well known, get a bunch of people talking about
things and their collective strength is lower than the individuals
:)
minismurf [3d?\]: what does f3etoiles mean anyway?
deft [4d\]: I don't think anyone could give me H8 and get away
with it...
watcher [-\]: Any committee IQ: average intelligence of members,
divided by headcount. 
f3etoiles [?\]: see my article on "why do we play bad moves"
Acro [11k\]: deft: Kobayashi said he'd need four stones from God.
ChampFr2 [-\]: the article is on rfg.jeudego.org
Apple [-\]: he was drunk?
lathos [13k\]: Yes, but he didn't say he'd win.
]CR[oo]

;B[bj]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: most questions about God have been "how many
stones do you need to feel comfortable against God?"
deft [4d\]: to be 100% sure of winning...
f3etoiles [?\]: deft, how strong are you on EGA?
deft [4d\]: 4 dan
]CR[bj]
;W[bk]
C[javamal [2d\]: what is EGA ?
f3etoiles [?\]: I see
lathos [13k\]: God plays tengen, you resign.
deft [4d\]: not officially, though
Haboru [5d\]: Nice he calculated he must not even add
deft [4d\]: I don't play enough tournaments
jouni [16k\]: EGF?
domi [1k?\]: see his infos maybe :-(
f3etoiles [?\]: EGF (European Go Federation)
jouni [16k\]: yes, federation not assoc.
f3etoiles [?\]: the article is also on http://perso.wanadoo.fr/denis.feldmann/goperso.htm
deft [4d\]: My official rating (I just looked it up) is  3D  
2247   
domi [1k?\]: what is W hoping now ?
Haboru [5d\]: a miracle
domi [1k?\]: 3D so here you must be 5D
jouni [16k\]: resigning in style? :)
deft [4d\]: no, ratings here are coming down... For example Hishi
is also 4d now, and he used to be one of the strongest players
on KGS...
Haboru [5d\]: Colmez is the strongest french player in Tsume Go
]CR[bk]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[is]
C[jouni [16k\]: in what?
domi [1k?\]: a stylish resignation arf !!! the time needed to
get used the idea ?
minismurf [3d?\]: tsume go = life and death
bass [2k\]: life&death
f3etoiles [?\]: Well, not really. But Andre Moussa is retired,
Paul Drouot is not playing today, and Wataru is not really French
:-)
]CR[is]
;W[ks]
C[lathos [13k\]: "Get Strong at Resigning".
bass [2k\]: :-)
domi [1k?\]: Hishi one of the strongest here ???????????
jouni [16k\]: l&d yes, but who has decided that?
]CR[ks]
;B[ms]CR[ms]
;W[mq]CR[mq]

;B[lr]
C[deft [4d\]: Hishi _was_ one of the strongest here, like 2 years
ago
sita [2d\]: yes, it's quite some time ago, domi
domi [1k?\]: before Muse, sujun and others come here ?
deft [4d\]: I'm just saying that ratings here are coming down
to a more reasonable (EGF like) level...
Haboru [5d\]: He wrote a book " How to win after losing a big
dragon in the beginning "
javamal [2d\]: jouni, take a look at life&death  kiseido books
preface, you'll see
]CR[lr]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[hg]CR[hg]
;B[gg]CR[gg]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[je]
C[deft [4d\]: I saw Zend play yesterday -- I think he is pro...
]CR[je]
;B[id]
C[Acro [11k\]: zend's on today
]CR[id]
;W[jd]
C[domi [1k?\]: the old fantasm here ... :-p
minismurf [3d?\]: Toru commented that Muse was stronger than Zend
jouni [16k\]: i'm aware, just wondered the statement "strongest
player" in life&death; there's also prizes for technique?
minismurf [3d?\]: but it is still possible that he is pro of course
]CR[jd]

;B[jf]
C[f3etoiles [?\]: jeanmichel is verystubborn
deft [4d\]: I never saw Muse play (live)...
]CR[jf]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[ig]
C[javamal [2d\]: no, only a statement given..
domi [1k?\]: Denis, do you know that all this is registred ?
]CR[ig]
;W[jg]
C[deft [4d\]: you need to see it live to get a good appreciation
of strength... See how long they take to think about certain
moves and so on...
Avari [1d\]: KGS score Est: black wins by 1,5 point
lathos [13k\]: Ah, yes: http://www.skynet.be/rexburton/richie.htm
]CR[jg]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[sc]
C[jouni [16k\]: Avari =)
]CR[sc]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[jc]CR[jc]

;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[jh]CR[jh]
;W[kh]
C[minismurf [3d?\]: w has nothing in the center, this is what the
score est does not understand?
domi [1k?\]: why do you speak of rex burton web site ?
lathos [13k\]: domi: It's got the spoof "Get strong..." books.
]CR[kh]
;B[of]
C[domi [1k?\]: oh yes I know that very well ^^
Acro [11k\]: it needs get strong at aji-keshi
Acro [11k\]: :)
domi [1k?\]: I made 2 of them about these 2 guys
watcher [-\]: that url just redirects me to http://www.skynet.be/
]CR[of]
;W[ji]
C[domi [1k?\]: and one about Denis but it is not on the site
]CR[ji]
;B[jg]
C[lathos [13k\]: Sorry, it's users.skynet.be, not www.skynet.be
deft [4d\]: everyone starts out being strong at aji-keshi ;-)
]CR[jg]
;W[lf]
C[Acro [11k\]: it's in jeandoute's info, anyway
lathos [13k\]: Last April's British Go Journal had a review of
Get Strong at Scoring.
watcher [-\]: lathos: yupp
deft [4d\]: in fact, the people who don't even know what it means
are probably the strongest at it ;-)
]CR[lf]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[ng]
C[domi [1k?\]: in french we say portnawak
deft [4d\]: now score estimate thinks B+30, which is probably
closer to the truth...
]CR[ng]

;B[nf]
C[jouni [16k\]: can the score estimate even decide any life&death
states?
deft [4d\]: sometimes
minismurf [3d?\]: somewhat
Apple [-\]: of course, score estim is around 3p
minismurf [3d?\]: but except for 2 clear cut eyes, it is guessing
rather than reading is my impression
]CR[nf]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[aj]CR[aj]
;B[ai]CR[ai]
;W[ak]CR[ak]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[ns]
C[deft [4d\]: but sometimes it can't even decide correctly when
the game is over -- especially some seki positions it seems to
think that both are dead (!)
]CR[ns]

;B[fs]CR[fs]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[rj]
C[Jay [26k\]: Wadz da time left?
]CR[rj]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[si]CR[si]
;W[rk]
C[ChampFr2 [-\]: time remaining : w 24 min b 17 min
Jay [26k\]: Thanz
minismurf [3d?\]: ChampFr can understand that strange language,
amazing
Jay [26k\]: Lol
ChampFr2 [-\]: yah :)
]CR[rk]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[sk]CR[sk]
;W[sj]
C[hirakawade [3d\]: what language ?  thanz ?
domi [1k?\]: try in swedish smurf
deft [4d\]: Jayz
]CR[sj]

;B[ao]CR[ao]
;W[an]CR[an]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[gm]CR[gm]
;W[sj]CR[sj]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[dd]CR[dd]

;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[sj]CR[sj]
;B[ap]
C[hirakawade [3d\]: Jayz   ????
domi [1k?\]: so you called that a stylish resignation, didn't
you ?
]CR[ap]
;W[bn]
C[Avari [1d\]: actually tsumego situation in the lower side is also
a ko, right?
]CR[bn]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[ds]
C[Jay [26k\]: Lol
]CR[ds]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[sj]
C[Avari [1d\]: rather indirect for white, though
Acro [11k\]: o8?
watcher [-\]: big dead groups can be a wonderful source of ko
threats ;)
]CR[sj]
;B[bm]
C[petraube [6k\]: B s19
hirakawade [3d\]: B7   no meaning ?
domi [1k?\]: Champ forgot to describe the players
ChampFr2 [-\]: time used w 53 min b 60 min
Acro [11k\]: b7 is a ko threat to kill that grou?
jouni [16k\]: in programming a good score estimating algorithm,
we basically need to teach the program the theoy of proper endgame?
ChampFr2 [-\]: white resigns
f3etoiles [?\]: b7+a7 kills
ChampFr2 [-\]: so Pierre Colmez has 7/8 and is qualified for the
final
Acro [11k\]: t12 a7 atari connects e7 dead
domi [1k?\]: bravo Pierre !!!
Apple [-\]: jussieu power
hirakawade [3d\]: I see
ChampFr2 [-\]: and the other finalist will be the winner of the
game broadcasted by ChampFr
minismurf [3d?\]: wow, important game then
domi [1k?\]: thanks all and bye bye *
ChampFr2 [-\]: Farid Ben Malek or Stéphane Dhur
jouni [16k\]: thanks for the relay
minismurf [3d?\]: thanks for the broadcasts
lathos [13k\]: Thank you very much for relaying.
Jay [26k\]: Erm... so black wins?
ChampFr2 [-\]: you're welcome
ChampFr2 [-\]: thanks for watching those 8 rounds with us
]CR[bm]
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